Risks of obtaining a second job?

[TripleThreat]

What has been your experiences in picking up a second job (job number 2) that works the same hours as job number 1?

I work remote and in the healthcare field and I’m thinking of applying for a competitor to also work for. What are the risks that you guys have ever experienced?

My current job is pretty laxed which is the main reason I’m interested in pursuing this idea, however my concerns are the ability of either company finding out and then being termed by job number 1.

What are your experiences with having a secondary job and were the risks worth the reward? I think if I ever felt threatened I would just drop job number 2 asap before anything scratched the surfaced that would threaten job number 1…

[cdcox]

I'm admittedly on the old side. Here's my take anyway.

I would bet Your supervisor already knows you are slacking during WFH.

My org has units that are 100% WFH, some that are 100% on-site and some that are a mixture.

We hear WFH people talk about walking their dog, grocery shopping, and how much better their life is. We also see that they are weak performing individuals or units and correlation between WFH and poor performance.

If I allowed WFH for my employees and found one instance of double dipping, I'd burn WFH to the ground for everyone. I would likely also contact the other employer. I'm very loyal to people who work for me. You don't have to be a superstar to have my loyalty. But if I'm paying you for 8 hours I expect that you are actually working for the goals of the org during that time.

[ReynardMuldrake]

Originally Posted by Hamwallet

You must not be very valuable at your first job if you can work a second job during the same hours.

Maybe if you worked harder or where better at your FIRST job you would be compensated appropriately so you wouldn’t have to do this scumbag move?

That's cute. You think bosses compensate based on hard work? Hard work is usually rewarded with more work. Changing jobs is the easiest way to get a pay bump.

Also, value =/= effort. Some of the most skilled and efficient workers have the lightest workload. But those hours can be critical to keeping the business running.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by cdcox

I'm admittedly on the old side. Here's my take anyway.

I would bet Your supervisor already knows you are slacking during WFH.

My org has units that are 100% WFH, some that are 100% on-site and some that are a mixture.

We hear WFH people talk about walking their dog, grocery shopping, and how much better their life is. We also see that they are weak performing individuals or units and correlation between WFH and poor performance.

If I allowed WFH for my employees and found one instance of double dipping, I'd burn WFH to the ground for everyone. I would likely also contact the other employer. I'm very loyal to people who work for me. You don't have to be a superstar to have my loyalty. But if I'm paying you for 8 hours I expect that you are actually working for the goals of the org during that time.

How can I be slacking working from home when my work is 100% complete and I’ve only been provided extra tasks and job requests throughout my tenure with the company?

I’m not sure why you equate wanting a second job to some slacker who isn’t finishing his first job, that makes zero sense.

Maybe you sound like a good manager who could use a person like me and pay me for what I’m worth and provide me with better opportunities. Unfortunately the management within my team isn’t built that way.

[Titty Meat]

Yout dick might not work

[Balto]

Word of advice, if one of the new companies co workers show up at your current building don’t follow them over to the new building or your could be killed by the manager.

And pray they don’t share the same sewer line.

[Fish]

Not one, but two different employers that don't notice their employee is ~50% productive? Shit management...

[Bob Dole]

Are you in Chicago? Because that bullshit used to work there. Go pick up your asphalt, park the truck under a bridge, then go clock in somewhere else. End of day, dump asphalt under bridge and clock out again.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

How can I be slacking working from home when my work is 100% complete and I’ve only been provided extra tasks and job requests throughout my tenure with the company?

I’m not sure why you equate wanting a second job to some slacker who isn’t finishing his first job, that makes zero sense.

Maybe you sound like a good manager who could use a person like me and pay me for what I’m worth and provide me with better opportunities. Unfortunately the management within my team isn’t built that way.

I'll just make a few observations to you to take or leave:

1) There are no “extra tasks”. In a high performing organization, there is always more that could be done for the org to get better. But resources are constrained so priorities are identified. If you have extra time during your workday, it is your responsibility to let your boss know you’re available.

2) I directly or indirectly supervise 50-ish employees. All of the top performing employees are busting their asses. They are self motivators. Many took the initiative to expand their own responsibilities. In some cases, I’m trying to be creative about reducing their workload. In the next tier down are very good employees that would be difficult to replace. They often have multi week backlogs of work, but they set appropriate priorities to keep the organization moving forward. None of them could possibly take another job.

3) the situation you describe sounds like your organization is underperforming. They are paying employees for full time work, and at least in your case, they are only getting half effort. They cannot thrive in a competitive environment with getting half effort from employees. Any of their ambitious employees will recognize a failing organization and move on to a better organization. Why do you want stick around a subpar organization?

4) if you aren’t willing to tell both of your employers of your plans to double dip, you already know you shouldn’t do it. This is business ethics 101. If you would not brag about this to a future employer during the interview, there’s your answer.

5) are you growing your skills in this position? If you are 2 years from retirement, it probably doesn’t matter. Otherwise you’re falling behind your peers in the employment maketplace.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

I have a feeling you’re of the older generation from that way of thinking, however to put it into perspective of the year 2023 with “office work” our manager was promoted, that work was put onto me, along with my original job I was hired to do, when I asked to be compensated they took away my original work that I was hired to do, hired another person and left me with the managers work without the extra pay of what our original manager was making. So in a sense I was quiet hired into a more experienced role with lesser of pay with the excuse of “we are taking this away so you aren’t over worked” mind you I did both jobs for over 6 months before my wife was tired of me being overworked for the same pay.

If I’m really good at my job, and can do what others do in half the time, I don’t think it’s a scumbag move to explore my options, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

So no, if I worked harder they just find a different way to not pay me.

Loyalty is either one way or no way. It’d be different to me if that were not true but life has taught me it is.

It is noteworthy that this technology exists in general for all who WFH.

https://nypost.com/2023/08/08/woman-...ork-from-home/

Regardless depending on the nature of your role unless there is a conflict of interest (or if you signed something or otherwise agreed not to do so) I see no issue. That said how is there not a conflict of interest since we’re talking about competitors?

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake

That's cute. You think bosses compensate based on hard work? Hard work is usually rewarded with more work. Changing jobs is the easiest way to get a pay bump.

JFC, I hate this generation and this type of thinking. Good bosses/companies absolutely compensate based on hard work and performance. If your boss isn’t having quarterly reviews with you about your performance and doesn’t perform salary reviews and adjustments every year, find a different company and boss to work for. All of the “quiet quitting” and thought of not putting in effort because you’ll get more work is a loser’s mentality.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

JFC, I hate this generation and this type of thinking. Good bosses/companies absolutely compensate based on hard work and performance. If your boss isn’t having quarterly reviews with you about your performance and doesn’t perform salary reviews and adjustments every year, find a different company and boss to work for. All of the “quiet quitting” and thought of not putting in effort because you’ll get more work is a loser’s mentality.

People secretly like this sort of approach though. They get to complain about not getting raises or reviews while secretly not working hard enough or being expected to actually do anything to deserve more. As you said, definitely a losers mentality and just another way to blame others for one’s own issues.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

People secretly like this sort of approach though. They get to complain about not getting raises or reviews while secretly not working hard enough or being expected to actually do anything to deserve more. As you said, definitely a losers mentality and just another way to blame others for one’s own issues.

Same type of people who are going to complain when work from home goes away from their organization.

[Bearcat]

A coworker recently got fired for it.

And I've generally found raises and promotions aren't simply the product of doing all of your work or even more work, but the right work... like taking work off your manager's plate, being more strategic, process improvement, etc. You have to generally prove you're worth more money before they just hand it to you.

[TambaBerry]

This is the wrong place to ask these types of questions as you can tell from the responses. You've gotten a few good posts but most are from the older people who when they worked hard got paid for their efforts. Companies now days don't care about their workers that work for them. The only way to get paid more is to change jobs and get what the market dictates. I wouldn't get the 2nd job only because its with a competitor. That just spells disaster.

[KCUnited]

People wonder why WFH is coming to an end.

I can say that companies are getting more savvy in tracking not just the productivity but the activities of their WFH employees through application user journey analytics. So when you log into a system and work your day, that becomes the baseline and any deviation from that becomes an anomaly.

I use it for fraud detection but there's potential for big brother use as well as stealing time can be considered fraud.

Just find a new job that pays you what you feel you're worth for the work you do. When people do this and get caught it just makes employers tighten up work conditions for everyone else.