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Old 02-02-2013, 06:00 PM  
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RGIII.

On my phone; can someone post a link?
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:46 PM   #31
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The Colts are a 2-3 win team at best without Luck this last year irregardless of an easier schedule. That is how good Luck is and will be even more in the future.
The Chiefs won 10 games with Matt Cassel against a schedule that wasas soft as the Colt was this year.

The Seahawks won, what, 6 games last year, and turned around to battle for the divion against a far touhger schedule, with virtually the same cast.

This kid has the poise and presence that only few have.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:48 PM   #32
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No kidding. Talk about attention whoring.
Yes. It was my life mission to be known as the guy that was the first to tell Chiefsplanet that RGIII won Offensive ROTY.

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Old 02-02-2013, 08:53 PM   #33
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Eh, ya never know. The guys looks amazing don't get me wrong. But so do the other two.

A SB win(s) however depends so much more than just on that one player.
The team, front office, injuries, weather in a specific game a bad call.

I just know this, After watching the NFL for as long as I have, Marino should have won a SB, Elway should have won more sooner, Peyton should have more.
But they don't. Favre only has one, but has almost all the records. You just never know.
Brett Favre is every bit as responsible for his team's lack of playoff succes thrugh the years as any of the rest of those team's players or units.

And since you apparently have not paid attention, I'll let you in on some newz.
Peyton Manning is the gretest chokerf ever.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:53 PM   #34
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But to the point, I honestly don't know how Luck got a single vote going up against RGIII and Wilson. He did pretty well for a rookie, but as others have stated, he just threw way too many damn INTs and his completion percentage rivaled that of a young Mike Vick. He may have the best career out of the three, but speaking of this season, I'd say the other two were a notch above him.

As far as RGIII and Wilson are concerned, I agree that RGIII should have gotten the nod. Wilson's hype train only really reached full steam in the last 1/3 of the season. It was full-on light speed by the time the Hawks got booted from the playoffs, but as far as I know, these awards are based on regular season performance.

Due to the injury, RGIII's stock is definitely not pointing as high as Wilson or Luck's, but he really was pretty amazing this season. I had the pleasure of watching the Skins in several games this season and he just looks like he has the stuff. Hopefully he can bounce back from that injury.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:01 PM   #35
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Why list turnovers? His team still won more despite them.
Opponents matter and the Colts' were awful. That was not a good team. Pro tip: pound the Colts' under next year.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:02 PM   #36
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It's hard to compare because Luck was thrown in the deep end in terms of a complex passing offense, just like Manning was. In fact Arians said Luck was doing things with the offense that Manning didn't do his rookie year. And Manning threw 28 INT his rookie year.

It's not a surprise, often times rookie QB's who succeed have a top shelf RB and defense. Roethlisberger, Sanchez, Dalton, etc. Russell Wilson had the #1 defense in the league, and a top 3 rushing attack. RGIII didn't have the defense though... but they were the #1 rushing attack in the league. The Colts were in the 20's in both rushing and defense. I would guess there's never been a rookie QB post a winning record, let alone make the playoffs, with a rushing attack and defense ranked that poorly.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:04 PM   #37
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It's hard to compare because Luck was thrown in the deep end in terms of a complex passing offense, just like Manning was. In fact Arians said Luck was doing things with the offense that Manning didn't do his rookie year. And Manning threw 28 INT his rookie year.

It's not a surprise, often times rookie QB's who succeed have a top shelf RB and defense. Roethlisberger, Sanchez, Dalton, etc. Russell Wilson had the #1 defense in the league, and a top 3 rushing attack. RGIII didn't have the defense though... but they were the #1 rushing attack in the league. The Colts were in the 20's in both rushing and defense. I would guess there's never been a rookie QB post a winning record, let alone make the playoffs, with a rushing attack and defense ranked that poorly.
They were the #1 rushing attack because of him though. They went from #25 to #1 in one season.

Of course Alfred Morris is pretty good, but the read option and RGIII are the real reason they were the best ground team in the league.
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No doubt about that. Although you could take RGIII's rushing yards completely away and they'd still be a top 10 rushing attack. He had a top shelf RB. But really the main point was more that Luck won games with his arm, as a rookie, with little else. I'm not sure there's another rookie QB in recent history you can compare that too... aside from 1st year starters like Kurt Warner.
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Kuechley was the undisputed DROY but that's just BS. Wilson deserved it. Pathetic.

Also Colts had 2nd weakest schedule in the league. So all you Luck wankers can GTFO.
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Turnovers are irrelevant if they don't result in losses.

Luck had no running game and a pretty bad defense. RGIII had a LOT more help.

Luck will be a better QB in the long run and IMO, was last year, too.

4,600 yards and 28 TD is a **** ton of production for a rookie QB.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:23 PM   #41
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This kid has the poise and presence that only few have.
Don't disagree at all. And I am a huge Wilson fan. And what he was able to do in the playoffs(bringing his team back from initial severe deficits in both playoff games) especially against Atlanta was just amazing, not ever batting an eye even when severely down by halftime in a playoff game on the road in a dome for goodness sake. Seahawks should have won that game but their D went Greg Robinson on that last possession. Wilson did his part for sure.

The question here is, if both QB's switched teams would their records have been the same with the same outcome in the playoffs ??? Your take.
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No doubt about that. Although you could take RGIII's rushing yards completely away and they'd still be a top 10 rushing attack. He had a top shelf RB. But really the main point was more that Luck won games with his arm, as a rookie, with little else. I'm not sure there's another rookie QB in recent history you can compare that too... aside from 1st year starters like Kurt Warner.
Eh, you couldn't even do that. The threat of RGIII beating you with his legs did a shit ton to take the pressure off of Morris. There's really no sure-fire way of telling how much credit to give each guy, but its my opinion that it was like 75% RGIII/read-option and 25% Morris.

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When you're gauging individual performance turnovers are extremely relevant.

For all the talk of Luck having a shit defense, they did a decent job of bailing him out and keeping games close until the end for him to be in a position to win it.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:32 PM   #43
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Peyton Manning is the gretest chokerf ever.
I get what you are saying but how much of his so-called "choking" was because he had mediocre to poor defenses that allowed for a manure load of scoring on him thus he was always playing from behind having to push the envelope more than he needed IF he were to have at least a decent defense to make a few more stops. Because it sure wasn't a lack of scoring from Manning that's for sure. I don't care if you are Unitas,Montana,etc..... when you put any QB in a position of always having to play from behind mistakes will be made. We saw it in Brady just a couple of weeks ago.
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Don't disagree at all. And I am a huge Wilson fan. And what he was able to do in the playoffs(bringing his team back from initial severe deficits in both playoff games) especially against Atlanta was just amazing, not ever batting an eye even when severely down by halftime in a playoff game on the road in a dome for goodness sake. Seahawks should have won that game but their D went Greg Robinson on that last possession. Wilson did his part for sure.

The question here is, if both QB's switched teams would their records have been the same with the same outcome in the playoffs ??? Your take.
That's a difficult question.

I don't believe Wiison was as advanced to start the year, but was better by seasonns end.
Idon't think the Colts would have won as many games, but they would have been a better team at the end of the year.

If they switched te
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If they switched teams now, I would stil be saying that Wilson will have more SBs.
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