Who is the GOAT QB?

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I know you're better at stats than that. Some of those years the Chiefs were fielding absurdly good defenses.

Let's put everything else aside -- if he was mediocre, then you (and other Chiefs fans) wouldn't hate him. Mediocrity doesn't earn hatred, it most typically earns apathy.

He played for a successful division rival. That will always earn hate.

I get more annoyed with the Elway hype than anything. If you dig into his stats, he’s really nothing special.

Even if you account for not playing in a “Passing league”, his stats are still mediocre. 3200 yards, 19 TDs, 14 picks per year.

[Chieftain]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I know you're better at stats than that. Some of those years the Chiefs were fielding absurdly good defenses.

Let's put everything else aside -- if he was mediocre, then you (and other Chiefs fans) wouldn't hate him. Mediocrity doesn't earn hatred, it most typically earns apathy.

I did some digging and found that Elway's record vs Chiefs is 18-12 (including playoffs). That's not ownage by any means. Surely not like Brady has owned the Jets and the rest of that division. In fact, it's the Chiefs who have owned the AFC West division if we go by the all time games played. The Chiefs are one of only 3 NFL teams who have a winning record against all their division opponents. The other two teams I believe are the Steelers and Cowboys (not sure?!).

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Joe based on the era alone. Brady would have died on his first trip to Chicago.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Joe based on the era alone. Brady would have died on his first trip to Chicago.

He wouldn't have survived LT either

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

He wouldn't have survived LT either

I've seen a few videos of LT, and they would interview guys like Ron Jaworski. It gives me a lot more respect for guys like Jaworski that they went out there twice a year against LT.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

He wouldn't have survived LT either

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I've seen a few videos of LT, and they would interview guys like Ron Jaworski. It gives me a lot more respect for guys like Jaworski that they went out there twice a year against LT.

^^^^ These.

[PatsWinAgain]

The 41 year old QB that lead his team to a victory in an AFC game. He’s the greatest. Anyone who argues otherwise is just a HATER.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain

The 41 year old QB that lead his team to a victory in an AFC game. He’s the greatest. Anyone who argues otherwise is just a HATER.

Not really. If Brady would have been drafted by Cleveland do you think he'd have even had a career. BB has made Brady what he is and without BB he would have been another Brian Hoyer.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Not really. If Brady would have been drafted by Cleveland do you think he'd have even had a career. BB has made Brady what he is and without BB he would have been another Brian Hoyer.

It's a team game. No one can do it by themselves. You think Mahomes throws for 50 TDs last year if he doesnt have Reid as a HC? Think Montana didnt benefit from having Rice and all the weapons the 49ers have? In basketball, MJ w Phil Jackson?

You cant expect any QB to become the GOAT by themselves. Every one needs some help

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It's a team game. No one can do it by themselves. You think Mahomes throws for 50 TDs last year if he doesnt have Reid as a HC? Think Montana didnt benefit from having Rice and all the weapons the 49ers have? In basketball, MJ w Phil Jackson?

You cant expect any QB to become the GOAT by themselves. Every one needs some help

Brady had all of the pieces fall into place.

Obviously he's good but he's also been blessed with the greatest front office in NFL history, the greatest defensive coach of all-time and a crappy division pretty much his entire career.

If you're talking about talent/offensive production Brady isn't the best.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Brady had all of the pieces fall into place.

Obviously he's good but he's also been blessed with the greatest front office in NFL history, the greatest defensive coach of all-time and a crappy division pretty much his entire career.

If you're talking about talent/offensive production Brady isn't the best.

And Mahomes is playing in the most QB friendly era with a genius offensive HC... So if you are going to criticize Brady for that make sure you bring up what I just mentioned the next time you brag about Mahomes throwing 50 TDs and winning MVP. Can't have it both ways.

Every great QB has had benefits of good to great supporting cast.. Again, team game.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It's a team game. No one can do it by themselves. You think Mahomes throws for 50 TDs last year if he doesnt have Reid as a HC? Think Montana didnt benefit from having Rice and all the weapons the 49ers have? In basketball, MJ w Phil Jackson?

You cant expect any QB to become the GOAT by themselves. Every one needs some help

Go back and see how many times the refs rescued Montana...you know, if he was trailing in an important game and needed to be bailed out. How many game winning TDs were taken off the board so he could get HFA?

They didn't do that back then...the Manning/Brady era ushered in the manufacturing of fake champions for advertising revue. NFL corporate learned that name brand QBs get higher ratings...as does keeping games artificially close by calling timely penalties.

[PatsWinAgain]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Not really. If Brady would have been drafted by Cleveland do you think he'd have even had a career. BB has made Brady what he is and without BB he would have been another Brian Hoyer.

We can play the “Ifs” game basically with every player ever.

BB didn’t win nothing before Brady. BB’s record as a head coach in Cleveland during the 91-95 season was 36-44. He had Bernie Cosar and Testaverde as QBs during that time. He had Bledsoe who was at the time was a top 10 QB. Still didn’t win nothing. Brady won the Super Bowl with the same exact team. BB didn’t win jack shit as a head coach before Brady.

[Buehler445]

Rain Man did some excellent work.

My guy would have to be Unitas. We want to give credit for Montana playing a mans game, fuuuuuuck playing with leather helmets and no rules.

It might be such a thing that I haven’t seen him shit the bed which he undoubtedly did, so I may have an overly utopian view.

But that’s the guy IMO.

[MMXcalibur]

Personally, I think this topic should have been closed after the initial reply.