Who is the GOAT QB?

[PatsWinAgain]

The 41 year old QB that lead his team to a victory in an AFC game. He’s the greatest. Anyone who argues otherwise is just a HATER.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by PatsWinAgain

The 41 year old QB that lead his team to a victory in an AFC game. He’s the greatest. Anyone who argues otherwise is just a HATER.

Not really. If Brady would have been drafted by Cleveland do you think he'd have even had a career. BB has made Brady what he is and without BB he would have been another Brian Hoyer.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Not really. If Brady would have been drafted by Cleveland do you think he'd have even had a career. BB has made Brady what he is and without BB he would have been another Brian Hoyer.

It's a team game. No one can do it by themselves. You think Mahomes throws for 50 TDs last year if he doesnt have Reid as a HC? Think Montana didnt benefit from having Rice and all the weapons the 49ers have? In basketball, MJ w Phil Jackson?

You cant expect any QB to become the GOAT by themselves. Every one needs some help

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It's a team game. No one can do it by themselves. You think Mahomes throws for 50 TDs last year if he doesnt have Reid as a HC? Think Montana didnt benefit from having Rice and all the weapons the 49ers have? In basketball, MJ w Phil Jackson?

You cant expect any QB to become the GOAT by themselves. Every one needs some help

Brady had all of the pieces fall into place.

Obviously he's good but he's also been blessed with the greatest front office in NFL history, the greatest defensive coach of all-time and a crappy division pretty much his entire career.

If you're talking about talent/offensive production Brady isn't the best.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Brady had all of the pieces fall into place.

Obviously he's good but he's also been blessed with the greatest front office in NFL history, the greatest defensive coach of all-time and a crappy division pretty much his entire career.

If you're talking about talent/offensive production Brady isn't the best.

And Mahomes is playing in the most QB friendly era with a genius offensive HC... So if you are going to criticize Brady for that make sure you bring up what I just mentioned the next time you brag about Mahomes throwing 50 TDs and winning MVP. Can't have it both ways.

Every great QB has had benefits of good to great supporting cast.. Again, team game.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

And Mahomes is playing in the most QB friendly era with a genius offensive HC... So if you are going to criticize Brady for that make sure you bring up what I just mentioned the next time you brag about Mahomes throwing 50 TDs and winning MVP. Can't have it both ways.

Every great QB has had benefits of good to great supporting cast.. Again, team game.

Brady has had the luxury of having absolutely everything from front office to coaching to the right offensive and defensive talent around him.

He's had every piece to the puzzle because NE does all of the right things.

Mahomes would still be elite and an MVP candidate if he didn't play in KC, but there's no way Brady sniffs 6 sbs and is considered the GOAT if he didn't have all of the pieces in place.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Brady has had the luxury of having absolutely everything from front office to coaching to the right offensive and defensive talent around him.

He's had every piece to the puzzle because NE does all of the right things.

Mahomes would still be elite and an MVP candidate if he didn't play in KC, but there's no way Brady sniffs 6 sbs and is considered the GOAT if he didn't have all of the pieces in place.

Okay so Mahomes>Brady. Thanks for clearing that up

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Brady has had the luxury of having absolutely everything from front office to coaching to the right offensive and defensive talent around him.

He's had every piece to the puzzle because NE does all of the right things.

Mahomes would still be elite and an MVP candidate if he didn't play in KC, but there's no way Brady sniffs 6 sbs and is considered the GOAT if he didn't have all of the pieces in place.

Not to mention what a shitshow the AFCE has been for virtually all of Brady’s “reign”, it’s been an almost guaranteed 6 wins for them over the years

I just watched a 30 minute Montana highlight earlier, and Brady has NEVER taken some of the shots Joe did

Montana’s era was sooo much tougher than what Brady dealt with, it’s not even close

Montana wins, you were never leaving here with a victory

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It's a team game. No one can do it by themselves. You think Mahomes throws for 50 TDs last year if he doesnt have Reid as a HC? Think Montana didnt benefit from having Rice and all the weapons the 49ers have? In basketball, MJ w Phil Jackson?

You cant expect any QB to become the GOAT by themselves. Every one needs some help

Go back and see how many times the refs rescued Montana...you know, if he was trailing in an important game and needed to be bailed out. How many game winning TDs were taken off the board so he could get HFA?

They didn't do that back then...the Manning/Brady era ushered in the manufacturing of fake champions for advertising revue. NFL corporate learned that name brand QBs get higher ratings...as does keeping games artificially close by calling timely penalties.

[PatsWinAgain]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Not really. If Brady would have been drafted by Cleveland do you think he'd have even had a career. BB has made Brady what he is and without BB he would have been another Brian Hoyer.

We can play the “Ifs” game basically with every player ever.

BB didn’t win nothing before Brady. BB’s record as a head coach in Cleveland during the 91-95 season was 36-44. He had Bernie Cosar and Testaverde as QBs during that time. He had Bledsoe who was at the time was a top 10 QB. Still didn’t win nothing. Brady won the Super Bowl with the same exact team. BB didn’t win jack shit as a head coach before Brady.