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TLO · 11-20-2019, 10:51 AM

Chiefs open as early 8.5 point favorites.

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R8RFAN · 11-24-2019, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NWTF

The Raiders won that trade big time. Mack is good but nowhere near what the pundits made him out to be. To give up multiple 1st rd, and make him the highest paid D player he pretty much needs to single handily win games for you or at least elevate the D to a level of winning games for you. Those picks and cap space would have been better used on the offensive side of the ball, and next years 1st is probably a top 10 pick. The Bears would take a do over if they could.

If the Raiders still had him, we would be broke and still horrible bad
Our D is not good now, ok vs the run but this D is better than it would be if we had to pay Mack.

We had to feel the pain last year as a result of having absolutely nothing but it's paying off and if Mayock works his magic again this year it will be an absolute no brainer.

It's a stretch we even earn a WC but I am totally happy with what I am seeing

Rasputin · 11-24-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN

If the Raiders still had him, we would be broke and still horrible bad
Our D is not good now, ok vs the run but this D is better than it would be if we had to pay Mack.

We had to feel the pain last year as a result of having absolutely nothing but it's paying off and if Mayock works his magic again this year it will be an absolute no brainer.

It's a stretch we even earn a WC but I am totally happy with what I am seeing

You will still be chasing coattails each season with us having Patrick Mahomes II he bought us 15+ years window of dynasty aspirations.

We own this division and AFC hence forth as long as we can stay healthy enough or get healthy at the right times.

Our offense can cut up the 85 Bears defense.

**MahiMike** · 11-24-2019, 10:30 AM

That Jacobs kid is pretty good.

RunKC · 11-24-2019, 10:31 AM

Raiders did an outstanding job raping the Bears and taking full advantage of their resources. They’ve become a team on the rise and a lot of that is from Mayock. Fortunately our GM had a great offseason too with our draft picks + Rankin after having a poor offseason last year.

That’s why I want to trade Chris Jones and Sammy Watkins. The plan the Raiders use is far more successful than the aggressive approach GM’s like the Rams use.

To me the Raiders are a similar team to the Colts. Good team all around with good coaching, but no QB.

The difference is Mahomes. Raiders need to fix that position if they want to go far.

R8RFAN · 11-24-2019, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Raiders did an outstanding job raping the Bears and taking full advantage of their resources. They’ve become a team on the rise and a lot of that is from Mayock. Fortunately our GM had a great offseason too with our draft picks + Rankin after having a poor offseason last year.

That’s why I want to trade Chris Jones and Sammy Watkins. The plan the Raiders use is far more successful than the aggressive approach GM’s like the Rams use.

To me the Raiders are a similar team to the Colts. Good team all around with good coaching, but no QB.

The difference is Mahomes. Raiders need to fix that position if they want to go far.

Carr 72.3% completion % and 105 QBR

Mahomes 66% completions and 110 QBR

So if Carr is bad then Mahomes is Mediocre? I think not

R8RFAN · 11-24-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

That Jacobs kid is pretty good.

923 yards so far... Will be a lock for ROY if he stays healthy

R8RFAN · 11-24-2019, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Raiders did an outstanding job raping the Bears and taking full advantage of their resources. They’ve become a team on the rise and a lot of that is from Mayock. Fortunately our GM had a great offseason too with our draft picks + Rankin after having a poor offseason last year.

That’s why I want to trade Chris Jones and Sammy Watkins. The plan the Raiders use is far more successful than the aggressive approach GM’s like the Rams use.

To me the Raiders are a similar team to the Colts. Good team all around with good coaching, but no QB.

The difference is Mahomes. Raiders need to fix that position if they want to go far.

They were bad, real bad with a great lb/de

14 sacks a year from anyone will not make a bad D good
It had to be done, glad they had the balls to piss off people and pull the trigger... I was bummed as hell at first but also knew this team would never win consistently with one great player and a bunch of scrubs on D.

Our D is still not good vs the pass but that all revolves around a pass rush. Teams that can't get to a QB always have a bad passing D... You can't expect a CB to be able to follow a WR around the field for 10 seconds every play.

NJChiefsFan · 11-24-2019, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN

Carr 72.3% completion % and 105 QBR

Mahomes 66% completions and 110 QBR

So if Carr is bad then Mahomes is Mediocre? I think not

You would be happy if the Raiders had Carr for the next 6 years?

R8RFAN · 11-24-2019, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

You would be happy if the Raiders had Carr for the next 6 years?

I would be happy with a better # 1 WR... Carr is fine, he moves the ball well and runs Grudens offense to perfection.

Would a Patrick Mahomes be a better fit for the Raiders? Probably but he is gonna be so expensive it is gonna hurt a bit too

arrwheader · 11-24-2019, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN

Carr 72.3% completion % and 105 QBR

Mahomes 66% completions and 110 QBR

So if Carr is bad then Mahomes is Mediocre? I think not

Hey dum dum. These are not their QBRs.

Mahomes QBR : 76.9

Carr: 60.6

I expect this much from a Raiders fan, but check your facts.

Also Mahomes: 19 TD to 2 Int, 312 yards a game, 2808 total yards

Carr: 15 TD 5int, 249 yards a game, 2494 total yards

Also Mahomes missed two and a half games this year.....

Just what the **** are you talking about?

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Coogs · 11-24-2019, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN

I would be happy with a better # 1 WR... Carr is fine, he moves the ball well and runs Grudens offense to perfection.

Would a Patrick Mahomes be a better fit for the Raiders? Probably but he is gonna be so expensive it is gonna hurt a bit too

The Alex Smith model? High price players around a mediocre QB? No thanks. Been there and done that to many times over the past 50 years.

R8RFAN · 11-24-2019, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

The Alex Smith model? High price players around a mediocre QB? No thanks. Been there and done that to many times over the past 50 years.

Here is KC in a nutshell

KC lives on TE play... They have been great at TE for the past 20 years..

No one ever seems to be able to match up with them.

That is the #1 area to beat KC and a close second is pass rush..

Patty does not like someone in his face, Can't force him out of the pocket but force him up into the pocket, of course he will make some passes , jump passes, between his legs passes etc but he is not invincible.

**New World Order** · 11-24-2019, 11:12 AM

Carr is basically Alex Smith

**New World Order** · 11-24-2019, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN

Here is KC in a nutshell

KC lives on TE play... They have been great at TE for the past 20 years..

No one ever seems to be able to match up with them.

That is the #1 area to beat KC and a close second is pass rush..

Patty does not like someone in his face, Can't force him out of the pocket but force him up into the pocket, of course he will make some passes , jump passes, between his legs passes etc but he is not invincible.

Mahomes is great in the pocket, clean or under pressure.

He doesn't fold under pressure like Carr.

R8RFAN · 11-24-2019, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Mahomes is great in the pocket, clean or under pressure.

He doesn't fold under pressure like Carr.

Can't relate, Carr doesn't get much pressure

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