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Andy Reid with 2nd Most Playoff Wins in NFL History
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Mediocre POST SEASON coach, prior to starting Patrick Mahomes. 11-13 pre Mahomes playoff record is mediocre. I'd love to hear any other adjective you would prefer to describe 11-13. Say something funny. Put a positive spin on it.
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The point, that apparently easily eludes you, is that I believe Mahomes is more responsible for the 15-3 record compared to the 11-13 record Andy had previously. With your asinine list you appear to be making the statement that Donovan McNabb simply was not good enough to give Andy an adequate chance, despite being a top 5 passer, 3rd in yards, 4th in tds, and despite being favored to win all of those nfc title games but the one in 2001. So apparently you know more than the odds makers at the time about the team Andy was leading. They were good enough to run roughshod over the NFC east, get to the title game and be favored, but expecting him to deliver, well that's just a bridge too far. How could he possibly manage the clock and balance his run and pass while turning water into wine, raising the dead and restoring sight to the blind? How many miracles does Andy have to work? He had ferocious championship caliber Eagles teams. He choked. Repeatedly. Hes had down to the wire wins with the best qb on the planet, McNabb never stood a chance in hell. Andy has football Jesus and the offensive struggles in those games are bad. How many titles your list won without who is irrelevant.
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02-29-2024, 12:15 AM | #143 |
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Without Elway, Shannahan is worse than pre-Mahomes Andy.
Without Brady, Belichick is worse than pre-Mahomes Andy. Without Big Ben, Tomlin is worse than pre-Mahomes Andy. Without Peyton, Dungy is worse than pre-Mahomes Andy. Without Big Ben, Cowher is worse than pre-Mahomes Andy. QB is critical and McNabb was never and will never be a HOF talent. Andy found his guy and went after him, so he deserved credit. We saw what some of the most revered coaches looked like without their HOF QB’s. It was less than what Andy did in Philly.
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You harp on McNabb’s numbers as some sort of testament against Andy while failing to realize that he made McNabb look better than he probably was. The NFL is littered with QBs who put up great stats but fail to perform when the lights are brightest. It’s why some of the greatest QBs ever are recognized as such. They were clutch when needed. That is not a knock on any HC, it just is what it is. Winning SBs takes more than just the QB. It takes an elite QB (most years) and an elite HC to make it happen. Winning multiple SBs is even harder and back to back is more difficult still. It’s just stunning how much you are willing to die on this hill. Andy is one of the greatest coaches of all time no matter how much you argue that he’s not. |
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02-29-2024, 09:09 AM | #146 | |
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An apt summation of Andy's career would be a nice animation of Andy standing outside the Hall of Fame with the doors closed to him, as he prattle on about how many regular season ganes he won, division titles, multiple title game trips, yet the doors remain closed. Mahomes enters the screen, in uniform, flowing red cape, kicks the doors off the hinges and takes Andy by the hand and leads him into the Hall of Fame. 11-13. 0 titles. That's your boy's record. Many of those losses, favored to win. 15-3 with Superman. Ray Charles could see this. It's strange so many can't/won't. It's fine to admit you got the best qb that ever lived, and he's the reason for your dynasty. If Mahomes is kidnapped by aliens to play in the interstellar league week 16, do you think Big Red is taking the team to the superbowl and winning? The reason anyone has faith in these games that start to get away from us, is because of Mahomes. It's never OH WE GOT ANDY! ANDY WILL COOK SOMETHING UP AND GET US OUT OF THIS! It's 15. It's always been 15 from the jump, and will be until he's physically unable to perform at his level.
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This has devolved into a Monty Python "yes it is," "no it isn't" argument.
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02-29-2024, 10:28 AM | #148 |
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I think the more interesting question is who is a great head coach with post season success without a hall of fame QB? It's pretty much Joe Gibbs (17-7), Tom Caughlin (12-7), Bill Parcells, (11-8), John Harbaugh (12-10) who have at least 10 post season wins, a winning post season record, at least 1 Super Bowl victory, and no definitive Hall of Fame QB. Kyle Shanahan is 8-4 with two Super Bowl appearances and no hall of fame QB yet, Sean McVay is 7-4 with two Super Bowl appearances and win. Not sure where Stafford ends up yet. But that's pretty much the list.
There have been 58 Super Bowls and only 14 QBs have won that aren't either in the Hall of Fame or clearly going to be in at some point. Eli and Plunket won 2. The Coaches listed above account for 8 of those in Theismann, Simms, Williams, Hostetler, Rypien, Eli, Flacco, and Stafford. One of the crazy things about that stat is that since the salary cap went into effect its happened 7 times including 3 in a row between 2011 and 2013 with Eli, Flacco, and Wilson. |
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Mahomes doesn't win three Super Bowls this soon without Reid. Reid wouldn't have three Super Bowls without Mahomes. In fact, there's a good chance Reid doesn't win any Super Bowls without Mahomes. Mahomes should get most of the credit but that doesn't mean Andy is overrated. Every coach looks better when he has an elite QB. That doesn't mean Mahomes would still have three SBs if his coach was someone besides Reid. I'm not sure why this argument should be beaten to death. It's pretty simple. |
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Any good coach will tell you it's the players that win the games. Andy is no different. That doesn't mean the guys who win in the post season aern't good/great coaches. I imagine that most coaches wouldn't have ever given Brady a chance and most coaches would have tried to get Mahomes to play their scheme by the book and not have allowed him to be himself and play his game probably ruining him.
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