Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

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Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

I appreciate your honesty. That's all we are saying. You guys have played 2 defense thays been decimated by injuries and think your back. This weeks will tell the true story. Truth be told beating the Bills on a missed fg with all those injuries isn't anything to right home about. Not for the big bad Chiefs who has the best coach, HOF QB, and best playoff DC this league has ever seen. Surely you should have boat raced a team that was missing WR 2, LB1, 2, 3, CB1, amongst other guys
Come in and put up similar numbers againat a relatively healthy Ravens team and you may be on to something.

I agree. Beating a Bills team that was shredded with injuries, after they'd been playoff-level intensity football for 7 consecutive weeks already wasn't a huge test. And the fact that KC only won by a FG isn't great by any means. The fact that the WRs only managed to catch 7 balls against their secondary isn't great.

Look, we know what the Chiefs are this season. They aren't the super explosive, offensive juggernaut from a few seasons ago. Or even anywhere close to what they were last season. There's no "13 seconds" offense here in 2023.

This year's Chiefs are dominated by their defense. They defense won more games for KC in 2023 than the offense did; pretty much everyone knows that around here. Hell, pretty much everyone in the football universe knows that.

And the offense has been searching all season for some kind of consistency and chemistry. An identity. And to us, it seems like they've finally found their identity over the last couple games. And that identity looks like a very balanced run-pass ratio (34/41 vs. MIA, 23/24 vs. BUF) and a very methodical 'matriculation" down the field to get into scoring range.

That's going to be the crux of it right there. Can the Chiefs offense matriculate the ball down the field enough times to score enough points to hold off BAL? Because I think BAL will score around 27. Probably no more than that against our defense and Spags.

Because as talented as your offense is, it's still operated by Lamar, and he's not a great passer. He's better than he was a couple seasons ago, but he's not among the very best pocket passers if he can't throw to his first read or two.

And Spags will take away his first two reads. He's going to pressure him, simulate pressure, give him a new look on every 3rd down, take away the middle of the field, and generally rush him in a way that prevents Lamar from just taking off, and force him to throw the ball deep to beat us. Which is definitely not Lamar's forte.

So I don't see BAL scoring more than somewhere in the mid-20s. 27 on the outside, because you have Justin Tucker and I can see him booting one from 65 at the end of the half or something.

So the only other question is how efficient can the Chiefs offense be vs. your defense. Can they score in the mid-20s? Because if they can, and the score is close in the last minutes of the game and the Chiefs have the ball, sorry not sorry, but the Chiefs are going to win, baby.

That's just how it is.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

i'm ready for mahomes 11-6 kurt warner game

Yes!!!

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And none of these things would be an impediment were Patrick Mahomes to hit the market.

And it wasn't the belief in his PRESENT level of production that turned teams off. Nor was it concerns over his ability to produce in the regular season.

26 year old QBs with an MVP in their pocket aren't typically guys that teams think "Man, 2 first rounders is too much to give up if we also have to clear salary cap space...."

Wonder what the distinction could possibly be?

I'm convinced that the Owners were lock in step in never giving another fully guaranteed contract. They knew noone would offer him a contract they wouldn't match because they only thing they wouldn't match is a fully guaranteed deal. The owners aren't in a hurry to blow the doors off the salary structure so they knew he wouldn't get an outrageous contract and he definitely wasn't getting a fully guaranteed deal. Football is a sport were owners will hold on to the power as long as they can. If Patrick Mahomes demanded a fully guaranteed deal he would be the next Kaep.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

This sounds vaguely threatening. Which is rude because I'm already scarred for life from the Royals emerging from nowhere to steal the 2014 WS from the Orioles before promptly returning to the abyss again.

Royals lost to the Giants in the 2014 WS. Returned to the "abyss" the next year & won the WS over the Mets (2015). Let's see...last time the Orioles won the WS was 1983... And the last time the Ravens won the SB was 2012... That's about 12 years ago. Chiefs won the SB about 12 months ago.

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by kstater

Jackson is 8th in the league in sacks taken. Hardly eating it all up.

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He was also 13-3 and the presumptive MVP. I'll contend he was eating the blitz up.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Royals lost to the Giants in the 2014 WS. Returned to the abyss the next year & won the WS over the Mets (2015). Let's see...last time the Orioles won the WS was 1983... And the last time the Ravens won the SB was 2012... That's about 12 years ago. Chiefs won the SB about 12 months ago.

Why are we talking about baseball? I must've missed something. Loved Cal, btw. He's the sole reason I came back to MLB after the strike. Guy was true greatness.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

This sounds vaguely threatening. Which is rude because I'm already scarred for life from the Royals emerging from nowhere to steal the 2014 WS from the Orioles before promptly returning to the abyss again.

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Royals lost to the Giants in the 2014 WS. Returned to the "abyss" the next year & won the WS over the Mets (2015). Let's see...last time the Orioles won the WS was 1983... And the last time the Ravens won the SB was 2012... That's about 12 years ago. Chiefs won the SB about 12 months ago.

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Why are we talking about baseball? I must've missed something. Loved Cal, btw. He's the sole reason I came back to MLB after the strike. Guy was true greatness.

Just shining a light on some disinformation. Also got some NFL facts in there.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

If Patrick Mahomes demanded a fully guaranteed deal he would be the next Kaep.

I don't agree. Kaepernick was exposed on the field as a guy who struggled to read defenses. Harbaugh did a great job hiding that for Kaep in the first couple years. If Kaepernick performed like Mahomes, he never would have been blackballed in the league. Easy to blackball a dude when he's performing like a backup QB, and even got benched for poor performance before the blackball stuff happened.

Mahomes signed a ridiculously team-friendly deal back in 2020 with only $140M guaranteed for 12 years. This season his agent asked the Chiefs to update the cash flow and guaranteed money, so they did. He's getting $210M fully guaranteed over 4 years (2023 to 2026). They are gonna re-work the contract again in 2026-2027.

Chiefs could have told Mahomes to go screw himself, and they didn't. I feel very confident if he ever made it to the open market, the entire league would be falling over themselves to hand him a fully guaranteed contract. If they did it with Deshaun Watson, they would absolutely do it with Mahomes.

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

I just watched the all-22 of the last 3 drives before half. The Texans only rushed 5, 1 extra rusher, mostly a backer and once a safety. They weren't sending the house, they were simple mike and will stunts mostly.

blitz is more than 4. You want to get hung up on semantics then go ahead. I was more interested in blitzing 75% of the time than i was the number over 5 they were sending.

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

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Just shining a light on some disinformation. Also got some NFL facts in there.

Don't wanna derail this thread and veer off into baseball talk. I'm aware that the 2015 Royals existed and I don't think it takes away from the point that the Royals emerged for those two seasons and that was it. Typically doesn't happen that way in sports in general and stands out as an outlier.

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Why are we talking about baseball? I must've missed something. Loved Cal, btw. He's the sole reason I came back to MLB after the strike. Guy was true greatness.

Cal was at the Ravens game last week. They're rolling out the red carpet this week with Michael Phelps, T-Pain at halftime, Ray Lewis/Ed Reed/Terrell Suggs/Jonathan Ogden/Anquan Boldin. Should be quite an atmosphere.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

they. never. learn.

DVOA MAN! DVOA!

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Conversations about things like "legacy" are intertwined with narratives. And the narrative going into these playoffs is that Mahomes hadn't won a road playoff game. He did that this past week, but if he comes into Baltimore and beats one of the most dominant regular season teams of all time to go to the Super Bowl, it definitively answers that question. That matters when you're talking about "legacy" whether Chiefs fans want to act like they're too cool for it or not.

Was the narrative that Mahimes never WON a postseason road game or he never PLAYED IN a postseason road game.? Its hard to win something you never actually played in.

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

Was the narrative that Mahimes never WON a postseason road game or he never PLAYED IN a postseason road game.? Its hard to win something you never actually played in.

True. "Never had to win on the road" I guess is the way to put it.

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Lame attempt by you to deflect from how much pressure is on Lamar entering this game.

Right now Lamar's legacy is regular season success that doesn't translate into championships.

Mahomes' legacy as the GOAT is already established... he would just be adding to that with a win.

Lamar needs this win. The pressure is on Lamar.

Tje only one that looks at Mahomes as the GOAT is Chiefs Planet. While being wildly talented there's a guy that has 7 Lombardis that is the consensus GOAT. I guess if Chiefs Planet said it it's golden.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

Was the narrative that Mahomes never WON a postseason road game or he never PLAYED IN a postseason road game.? Its hard to win something you never actually played in.

It was both. Apparently Mahomes & KC were supposed to lose on purpose in earlier years instead of winning enough games to gain home field advantage, just for the sake of satisfying the media people who thought Mahomes was not capable of playing well on the road. Lol