Frank Clark = Neil Smith? [Clark signs with Broncos]

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Please tell me you aren't serious and not trying to die on this hill.

No hill to die on.

Simply stating facts. Unless you can come up with a Chief that had a bigger measurable impact in the playoffs on the defensive side of the ball over the last four years; Frank is obviously the best Chief playoff defender we’ve ever seen. He has the stats to prove it.

Add in the fact that he did those things to help the team win two SBs, well that should be enough to earn a spot, imo.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

No hill to die on.

Simply stating facts. Unless you can come up with a Chief that had a bigger measurable impact in the playoffs on the defensive side of the ball over the last four years; Frank is obviously the best Chief playoff defender we’ve ever seen. He has the stats to prove it.

Add in the fact that he did those things to help the team win two SBs, well that should be enough to earn a spot, imo.

No one is denying the fact that he was great in the playoffs. Unfortunately we have to get there first and his performance during the regular season, especially at his salary is straight up robbery.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by tredadda

No one is denying the fact that he was great in the playoffs. Unfortunately we have to get there first and his performance during the regular season, especially at his salary is straight up robbery.

While I might agree with you, I don’t think salary is a consideration when deciding whether a player makes it into the Ring.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by tredadda

No one is denying the fact that he was great in the playoffs. Unfortunately we have to get there first and his performance during the regular season, especially at his salary is straight up robbery.

Our season starts in January. Every. Year. Grew up watching Chiefs teams full of guys who kicked ass in the regular season, then one and done in the post-season. So glad to have had a guy whose fatal flaw was he was mediocre in regular season but kicked butt in the playoffs. Give me that all day.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by wazu

Our season starts in January. Every. Year. Grew up watching Chiefs teams full of guys who kicked ass in the regular season, then one and done in the post-season. So glad to have had a guy whose fatal flaw was he was mediocre in regular season but kicked butt in the playoffs. Give me that all day.

Seriously. After all the years of certain key players having great regular seasons, and then shitting down their legs in the playoffs, you’d think Chiefs Kingdom would embrace a guy that finally brought it and consistently made a difference in the postseason.

Guess not.

But I’m with you.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by wazu

Our season starts in January. Every. Year. Grew up watching Chiefs teams full of guys who kicked ass in the regular season, then one and done in the post-season. So glad to have had a guy whose fatal flaw was he was mediocre in regular season but kicked butt in the playoffs. Give me that all day.

Ok now hang with me here....what if a highly paid player did.....BOTH?!?

I know...crazy right.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by -King-

Ok now hang with me here....what if a highly paid player did.....BOTH?!?

I know...crazy right.

Right? That’s just crazy speak there. He should continue to play like a backup while making Top 5 DE money because of at most three playoff games.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

No hill to die on.

Simply stating facts. Unless you can come up with a Chief that had a bigger measurable impact in the playoffs on the defensive side of the ball over the last four years; Frank is obviously the best Chief playoff defender we’ve ever seen. He has the stats to prove it.

Add in the fact that he did those things to help the team win two SBs, well that should be enough to earn a spot, imo.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

No hill to die on.

Simply stating facts. Unless you can come up with a Chief that had a bigger measurable impact in the playoffs on the defensive side of the ball over the last four years; Frank is obviously the best Chief playoff defender we’ve ever seen. He has the stats to prove it.

Add in the fact that he did those things to help the team win two SBs, well that should be enough to earn a spot, imo.

You said in Chiefs playoff history.

I'll take every dude on that SBIV Chiefs defense over Frank.

Give me Nick Bolton and Chris Jones from the modern Chiefs teams. Yes, that Chris Jones, who didn't have a playoff sack until Cincy.

And I'm not going to punish the great dudes from the 90s just because they came up short with shitass QBs. Absolutely give me Derrick Thomas and a whole bunch of those other guys.

When you only bother showing up for the playoffs, you don't deserve to make $20 million in a season. That money could have been spent getting us a couple other guys who could have helped.

We got the job done with Frank and paying him what we did. I don't regret that. But ring of honor? Best defensive player in Chiefs playoff history?

Fuuuuuuuuuck that shit

[wazu]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

You said in Chiefs playoff history.

I'll take every dude on that SBIV Chiefs defense over Frank.

Give me Nick Bolton and Chris Jones from the modern Chiefs teams. Yes, that Chris Jones, who didn't have a playoff sack until Cincy.

And I'm not going to punish the great dudes from the 90s just because they came up short with shitass QBs. Absolutely give me Derrick Thomas and a whole bunch of those other guys.

When you only bother showing up for the playoffs, you don't deserve to make $20 million in a season. That money could have been spent getting us a couple other guys who could have helped.

We got the job done with Frank and paying him what we did. I don't regret that. But ring of honor? Best defensive player in Chiefs playoff history?

Fuuuuuuuuuck that shit

Oh come on. Neil ****ing Smith is in the Ring of Honor.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

You said in Chiefs playoff history.

I'll take every dude on that SBIV Chiefs defense over Frank.

Give me Nick Bolton and Chris Jones from the modern Chiefs teams. Yes, that Chris Jones, who didn't have a playoff sack until Cincy.

And I'm not going to punish the great dudes from the 90s just because they came up short with shitass QBs. Absolutely give me Derrick Thomas and a whole bunch of those other guys.

When you only bother showing up for the playoffs, you don't deserve to make $20 million in a season. That money could have been spent getting us a couple other guys who could have helped.

We got the job done with Frank and paying him what we did. I don't regret that. But ring of honor? Best defensive player in Chiefs playoff history?

Fuuuuuuuuuck that shit

Just for fun, post how much money AAV every guy in the Ring of Honor got at his peak without looking it up.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Just for fun, post how much money AAV every guy in the Ring of Honor got at his peak without looking it up.

Just for fun, how about no.

You know damn well it's about the percentage of the pie and not the end number, dude.

Frank Clark choosing to masturbate all season and then "turn it on" in the playoffs (really, he only had truly impactful games in the Titans AFCC and the 49ers SB) while taking away pie that could have gone to somebody else is the issue.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Just for fun, how about no.

You know damn well it's about the percentage of the pie and not the end number, dude.

Frank Clark choosing to masturbate all season and then "turn it on" in the playoffs (really, he only had truly impactful games in the Titans AFCC and the 49ers SB) while taking away pie that could have gone to somebody else is the issue.

Well sure. But that's not the question at hand. No one cares what KC paid a player in the RoH, right? It's just not a thing. They're up there because they did something great on the field. For guys like Neil Smith, that was during the regular season, and I take nothing away from him for who he was to my Chiefs when he was one, no matter how much he got paid or how little he did in the playoffs. Same as anyone up there.


But Frank was the opposite. He didn't do much during the regular season, but he out-performed every Chief to date in the playoffs, and by a country mile.


As I have for the others, i give him a pass for his regular season play, because of his playoff performances, and I don't have to care about his compensation in that respect. I can, and will, separate the two issues, largely because he helped the team win two Rings.


And to be honest, if it were the opposite, and Frank had great regular seasons but did nothing in the playoffs, and that cost us a Ring, I'd probably be a lot less sanguine about it.


I mean, I get it; it would've been nice for him to be better in the regular season. But this isn't about 'what ifs,' it's about what really happened. Given that, I'll gladly take his playoff performances and just as soon forget the regular seasons.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Well sure. But that's not the question at hand. No one cares what KC paid a player in the RoH, right? It's just not a thing. They're up there because they did something great on the field. For guys like Neil Smith, that was during the regular season, and I take nothing away from him for who he was to my Chiefs when he was one, no matter how much he got paid or how little he did in the playoffs. Same as anyone up there.


But Frank was the opposite. He didn't do much during the regular season, but he out-performed every Chief to date in the playoffs, and by a country mile.


As I have for the others, i give him a pass for his regular season play, because of his playoff performances, and I don't have to care about his compensation in that respect. I can, and will, separate the two issues, largely because he helped the team win two Rings.


And to be honest, if it were the opposite, and Frank had great regular seasons but did nothing in the playoffs, and that cost us a Ring, I'd probably be a lot less sanguine about it.


I mean, I get it; it would've been nice for him to be better in the regular season. But this isn't about 'what ifs,' it's about what really happened. Given that, I'll gladly take his playoff performances and just as soon forget the regular seasons.

Where does it stop, man? "If it weren't for such and such player in the playoffs we wouldn't have one or both Super Bowls."

How about Damien Williams? Two seasons with the team. Two incredible playoff runs. One Super Bowl. Still has the most career playoff rushing yards of anybody in team history. Also still has the most playoff TDs scored of anybody in team history unless Kelce surpassed him most recently. That's pretty impressive. Is he going into the HOF even though he was only productive for a handful of regular season games and two big playoff runs?

Honey Badger, bro. Can't deny his effect on the secondary guys and making plays for the team in that first Super Bowl run. He's not noteworthy now because of his recent business decisions, but neither is Clark for signing with our shitty division ****ing rivals.

Is the line you have to have some ridiculous thing like being 2 sacks away for all time career playoff sacks AND win two Super Bowls?

Or maaaaaaybe... hear me out... but maybe we shouldn't make this the Ring of Very Good. Or the Ring of "Damn you were a key contributor for a year or two." Maybe it should be, you know... a stacking of excellence from year to year while working for or wearing a Chiefs uniform.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Where does it stop, man? "If it weren't for such and such player in the playoffs we wouldn't have one or both Super Bowls."

How about Damien Williams? Two seasons with the team. Two incredible playoff runs. One Super Bowl. Still has the most career playoff rushing yards of anybody in team history. Also still has the most playoff TDs scored of anybody in team history unless Kelce surpassed him most recently. That's pretty impressive. Is he going into the HOF even though he was only productive for a handful of regular season games and two big playoff runs?

Honey Badger, bro. Can't deny his effect on the secondary guys and making plays for the team in that first Super Bowl run. He's not noteworthy now because of his recent business decisions, but neither is Clark for signing with our shitty division ****ing rivals.

Is the line you have to have some ridiculous thing like being 2 sacks away for all time career playoff sacks AND win two Super Bowls?

Or maaaaaaybe... hear me out... but maybe we shouldn't make this the Ring of Very Good. Or the Ring of "Damn you were a key contributor for a year or two." Maybe it should be, you know... a stacking of excellence from year to year while working for or wearing a Chiefs uniform.

Honey Badger should 100% get in before The Shart. He wasn't some lucky bum who happened to run into some sacks. Honey Badger was legit as ****.