***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[MahomesMagic]

Stanford Professor Warns COVID Shelter-in-Place Orders Are ‘Killing People'
Infectious disease experts and epidemiologists from universities like Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Oxford say current shelter-in-place policies are not effectively protecting vulnerable people from COVID-19, while devastating public health in ways that will lead to irreparable harm for years to come.

Vulnerable people, he believes, should continue to shelter in place, and anyone living or working in a high risk setting should receive weekly COVID-19 testing and careful contact tracing. He recommends similar measures for meat packing plants, prisons and especially nursing homes, where Centers for Disease Control data shows about one-third of all deaths have occurred.

At the same time, Ioannidis is convinced that shelter in place orders are doing great harm to the rest of society.

“We know that 95% of the population has practically minimal risk,” he said, adding “It's unlikely that in the current situation we are really saving lives. I think that probably we're killing people by following some of these measures for forever.”

According to the American College of Emergency Physicians, 29% of Americans are avoiding or delaying medical care due to fear of catching the coronavirus.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...eople/2376796/

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Stanford Professor Warns COVID Shelter-in-Place Orders Are ‘Killing People'
Infectious disease experts and epidemiologists from universities like Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Oxford say current shelter-in-place policies are not effectively protecting vulnerable people from COVID-19, while devastating public health in ways that will lead to irreparable harm for years to come.

Vulnerable people, he believes, should continue to shelter in place, and anyone living or working in a high risk setting should receive weekly COVID-19 testing and careful contact tracing. He recommends similar measures for meat packing plants, prisons and especially nursing homes, where Centers for Disease Control data shows about one-third of all deaths have occurred.

At the same time, Ioannidis is convinced that shelter in place orders are doing great harm to the rest of society.

“We know that 95% of the population has practically minimal risk,” he said, adding “It's unlikely that in the current situation we are really saving lives. I think that probably we're killing people by following some of these measures for forever.”

According to the American College of Emergency Physicians, 29% of Americans are avoiding or delaying medical care due to fear of catching the coronavirus.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...eople/2376796/

This is not what SCIENCE says.

[jdubya]

My county just went down one tier because our cases are declining and Covid patients in hospitals are almost in the teens in my county after a high of 120 in July. My gym is open and i got an indoor haircut yesterday. Good stuff

[TLO]

Originally Posted by jdubya

My county just went down one tier because our cases are declining and Covid patients in hospitals are almost in the teens in my county after a high of 120 in July. My gym is open and i got an indoor haircut yesterday. Good stuff

Where are you located if I may ask?

[petegz28]

More youth are dying of suicide, overdose than COVID-19 during pandemic: CDC director
https://www.christianpost.com/news/m...nn-okYkIAc4QN4

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

More youth are dying of suicide, overdose than COVID-19 during pandemic: CDC director
https://www.christianpost.com/news/m...nn-okYkIAc4QN4

No they aren't.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Stanford Professor Warns COVID Shelter-in-Place Orders Are ‘Killing People'
Infectious disease experts and epidemiologists from universities like Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Oxford say current shelter-in-place policies are not effectively protecting vulnerable people from COVID-19, while devastating public health in ways that will lead to irreparable harm for years to come.

Vulnerable people, he believes, should continue to shelter in place, and anyone living or working in a high risk setting should receive weekly COVID-19 testing and careful contact tracing. He recommends similar measures for meat packing plants, prisons and especially nursing homes, where Centers for Disease Control data shows about one-third of all deaths have occurred.

At the same time, Ioannidis is convinced that shelter in place orders are doing great harm to the rest of society.

“We know that 95% of the population has practically minimal risk,” he said, adding “It's unlikely that in the current situation we are really saving lives. I think that probably we're killing people by following some of these measures for forever.”

According to the American College of Emergency Physicians, 29% of Americans are avoiding or delaying medical care due to fear of catching the coronavirus.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...eople/2376796/

His reasoning is flawed. He says that people in risk groups should continue to shelter in place but for the rest of the people they aren't seeking medical help when sick with other problems because of the shelter in place order and therefore are dying. What a stupid argument.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by petegz28

More youth are dying of suicide, overdose than COVID-19 during pandemic: CDC director
https://www.christianpost.com/news/m...nn-okYkIAc4QN4

But what about the cases???

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

His reasoning is flawed. He says that people in risk groups should continue to shelter in place but for the rest of the people they aren't seeking medical help when sick with other problems because of the shelter in place order and therefore are dying. What a stupid argument.

Ioannidis is one of the world's leading scientists whose latest sero study was published by the World Health Organization.

I'm going to take a wild guess and think he knows more about the data than you do.

[Marcellus]

WHO: 10% of world's people may have been infected with virus
The head of emergencies at the World Health Organization says its “best estimates” indicate that roughly 1 in 10 people worldwide may have been infected by the coronavirus

GENEVA -- The head of emergencies at the World Health Organization said Monday the agency's “best estimates” indicate roughly 1 in 10 people worldwide may have been infected by the coronavirus — more than 20 times the number of confirmed cases — and warned of a difficult period ahead.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...virus-73427817

Has this been covered in this thread? I just saw this today even thought its 10 days old. Have they back tracked on it or is this actually what they think?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Ioannidis is one of the world's leading scientists whose latest sero study was published by the World Health Organization.

I'm going to take a wild guess and think he knows more about the data than you do.

I wasn't even going to argue with him about it. One person has said these kids just need to "suck it up". Another says these are not Covid-related deaths. Now we have one that just says this is stupid.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Has this been covered in this thread? I just saw this today even thought its 10 days old. Have they back tracked on it or is this actually what they think?

I was under the impression no one believed anything the WHO says anymore after they helped China cover up the outbreak.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I wasn't even going to argue with him about it. One person has said these kids just need to "suck it up". Another says these are not Covid-related deaths. Now we have one that just says this is stupid.

Ioannidis latest Infection Fatality Rate is .05 for everyone under 70 years old.

That should have woken everyone that was asleep but...

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Has this been covered in this thread? I just saw this today even thought its 10 days old. Have they back tracked on it or is this actually what they think?

That's what the WHO believes. Which gives us a IFR for everyone of .13..


Almost ten times lower than what the media has been pushing since March.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Ioannidis latest Infection Fatality Rate is .05 for everyone under 70 years old.

That should have woken everyone that was asleep but...

I think many have said that one way or the other as the numbers continue to bare that out.

For example: Here in JoCo ages 70+ are only 9% of cases but 86% of all deaths.

The other 91% of cases are 14% of deaths and that includes 0 deaths in ages 0-19.

The sad reality of this is if you are 70 or over this is a severe risk. If you are under 70 not so much particularly the younger you are.