PFFs Top 25 Cornerbacks of 2018

[Frosty]

I've stayed out of the Nelson talk because I know I would be accused of being a homer.

However, lists like this and the contract that Nelson is going to get just shows you how absolutely terrible CP (and the general fan) is at player evaluation. It's mostly because the TV coverage skews the perception.

"I saw Nelson get burned all the time". Well, of course you did - it's because the TV is only going to show him when the receiver makes the catch. So unless you are studying the ALL-22 every week (or see the games live and actually watch the coverage while not drunk ), you aren't seeing all the times Nelson shut down his guy or held coverage long enough to help get a sack. Plus, you also need some idea of what the scheme was calling for.

I have felt from day one that Nelson's size is going to limit him to being a slot corner and I still believe that's where he plays best so I don't have a problem with letting him go. I do think that there is no guarantee that the Chiefs will be able to get someone next season that will match his production. I'm hoping the scheme change will help in that regard.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I've stayed out of the Nelson talk because I know I would be accused of being a homer.

However, lists like this and the contract that Nelson is going to get just shows you how absolutely terrible CP (and the general fan) is at player evaluation. It's mostly because the TV coverage skews the perception.

"I saw Nelson get burned all the time". Well, of course you did - it's because the TV is only going to show him when the receiver makes the catch. So unless you are studying the ALL-22 every week (or see the games live and actually watch the coverage while not drunk ), you aren't seeing all the times Nelson shut down his guy or held coverage long enough to help get a sack. Plus, you also need some idea of what the scheme was calling for.

I have felt from day one that Nelson's size is going to limit him to being a slot corner and I still believe that's where he plays best so I don't have a problem with letting him go. I do think that there is no guarantee that the Chiefs will be able to get someone next season that will match his production. I'm hoping the scheme change will help in that regard.

that's fair. And since I'm arguing with someone who likes the player, I'm cast a bit as 'hating' on Nelson, when all I'm trying to say is he's a #3 corner on a good defense, tops. Which for most teams, is their slot guy, no? He's miscast as an outside CB in one-on-one coverage.

I don't think that is worth $12 a year or whatever. I'm also not handing Smith the job, I just think it's reasonable to project his physical skills along with some improvement in his second season.

I don't think either is a #1 CB, and we need one of those. It's likely we will be unable to afford a guy like that in FA (unless we unload one of the big 3) so we'll probably have to draft one.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I've stayed out of the Nelson talk because I know I would be accused of being a homer.

However, lists like this and the contract that Nelson is going to get just shows you how absolutely terrible CP (and the general fan) is at player evaluation. It's mostly because the TV coverage skews the perception.

"I saw Nelson get burned all the time". Well, of course you did - it's because the TV is only going to show him when the receiver makes the catch. So unless you are studying the ALL-22 every week (or see the games live and actually watch the coverage while not drunk ), you aren't seeing all the times Nelson shut down his guy or held coverage long enough to help get a sack. Plus, you also need some idea of what the scheme was calling for.

I have felt from day one that Nelson's size is going to limit him to being a slot corner and I still believe that's where he plays best so I don't have a problem with letting him go. I do think that there is no guarantee that the Chiefs will be able to get someone next season that will match his production. I'm hoping the scheme change will help in that regard.

I wondered when you'd get around here.

I'm pretty sure it was you and Staylor that I went round and round with for the last several years. I was gonna just call you that damn Oregon State homer but it seemed unprovoked...

But I mean, now that you're here...

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I wondered when you'd get around here.

I'm pretty sure it was you and Staylor that I went round and round with for the last several years. I was gonna just call you that damn Oregon State homer but it seemed unprovoked...

But I mean, now that you're here...

I argued with you over the pick initially because I understood how raw Nelson was and how it was going to take time. It took almost the first season just to wash the Mark Banker stink off of him. After that (the next season), he had a really solid season as the slot corner.

Then he had to learn to play on the outside and struggled. Then this season, it looks like he was starting to learn.

Was a 3rd round pick too high for someone so raw? Probably. Unfortunately, it looks like the Chiefs will have gone through the all the growing pains just for another team to benefit from it.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Originally Posted by Frosty

"I saw Nelson get burned all the time". Well, of course you did - it's because the TV is only going to show him when the receiver makes the catch.d.

Incorrect. I also see him celebrating an incomplete pass standing on top of his 2nd pass interference penalty of the game, or his 8th Holding call.

[rtmike]

Originally Posted by Chiefs4TheWin

Incorrect. I also see him celebrating an incomplete pass standing on top of his 2nd pass interference penalty of the game, or his 8th Holding call.

So, you’re saying he has some “Mighty Mouse” in him?



Boy, I hated him. Those were some bad years.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chiefs4TheWin

Incorrect. I also see him celebrating an incomplete pass standing on top of his 2nd pass interference penalty of the game, or his 8th Holding call.

He has literally NEVER had multiple pass interference penalties in a single game. Not once in his entire career. He has had a single game with multiple holding calls (2 against the Jets in 2017; he had 3 penalties total that whole season).

The amount of shit you people have to flat out make up to cover for the fact that you simply aren't paying attention is laughable.

[TambaBerry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He has literally NEVER had multiple pass interference penalties in a single game. Not once in his entire career. He has had a single game with multiple holding calls (2 against the Jets in 2017; he had 3 penalties total that whole season).

The amount of shit you people have to flat out make up to cover for the fact that you simply aren't paying attention is laughable.

How many were called and not accepted?

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He has literally NEVER had multiple pass interference penalties in a single game. Not once in his entire career. He has had a single game with multiple holding calls (2 against the Jets in 2017; he had 3 penalties total that whole season).

The amount of shit you people have to flat out make up to cover for the fact that you simply aren't paying attention is laughable.

I was obviously exaggerating on the actual penalty statistics.

Paying attention? To that defense? Hell I fricken walked out the damn room when that garbage was on display. You deserve a medal for "Paying Attention" to that hot mess. I'll leave that up to you guys.