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02-15-2019, 09:50 AM | #106 | |
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I'm NOT a "denier" as I was IMMEDIATELY branded, simply because I had the nerve to disagree. I do my part. I use a fuel-efficient vehicle (I live in the country, an electric car for me is simply not feasible) and burn bio-fuels as much as possible. I grow and raise animals organically. I recycle not only plastics, metal and glass but I recycle offal and plant material for mulch and fertilizer and I recycle rainwater as well. I personally don't exploit the environment for personal gain because it's MORALLY WRONG. How about that answer? My problem is that the guy that lives down the road from me isn't ME. He has a different living situation and some of my choices won't work for him. Furthermore, the young couple that lives the other direction simply CANNOT AFFORD to make the changes I've made, they're working 2 jobs each already. And therein lies my problem - the "climate change" movement chooses the earth over people. Most of the legislation that's been proposed or put in place puts an unequal burden on the people in the US that can afford it least. The party that is supposedly for the "poor" is championing climate policy that is HURTING THE POOR. Meanwhile, countries like India and China are pouring pollutants into the atmosphere at an alarming rate and we're doing nothing about it. We'd rather punish our own citizens than, you know, actually stop climate change. |
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02-15-2019, 09:54 AM | #107 | |
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I'm in the heart of the third largest city in America right now. The air is clean. I'm thinking you couldn't say the same thing in the third largest city in China. The progs trying to shove all this green energy crap down our throats while ignoring the worst offenders is about as smart as disarming law abiding citizens in an attempt to alleviate gun crimes. In fact, I kind of sense a pattern here. |
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02-15-2019, 10:02 AM | #108 | |
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And I believe NASA, like many other government agencies (I've done work for several over the last few years) is willing to do things that help their budget. Our legislative and executive branches absolutely are in the propaganda business (regardless of party affiliation) and are not above threatening legitimate agencies to get the results they want. As for the bulk of my previous comment, I was merely pointing out the cognitive dissonance involved in believing in macro-evolution, the conventional geologic timeline, and man-made climate change. |
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02-15-2019, 10:52 AM | #109 | |
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Also, India and China are actually making better progress than you realize. India is currently on track to reach it's Paris Climate Agreement goals ahead of schedule. China has done the same, and soon could be the world leader in climate change mitigation. Both of those countries are making real accountable progress. Meanwhile, the US just saw its biggest CO2 emissions increase in many years.
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02-15-2019, 11:49 AM | #112 |
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People made the same claims when the US started regulating leaded gasoline. The industry used leaded gas then for the same reason, because it was cheaper. Industry giants denied the science showing lead was harmful, and tried to convince people that it would ruin the economy if we regulated this cheap energy source. Yet we found a way and we're safer for it now. We'll do that with climate change too.
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02-15-2019, 01:01 PM | #114 | |
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Lead was ADDED to gasoline to increase octane and thereby increase performance in the less sophisticated engines of the day. The gas crunch took performance out of the calculus for desirable vehicles for a while, then engineering produced performances gains without the necessity of lead-induced octane levels. Lead was never about price or economy.
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Now is when people say fake news. Because in this thread super scientists feel they know the truth better than Nasa scientists. It's amazing.
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The premise of the need for lead was a continuing need for the performance provided by octane boost in large powerplants. People instead sacrificed horsepower until newer engines with fuel injection and computer monitoring made up the difference with less potent fuels. Gas prices never rose with the removal of lead because people adapted by either living with underpowered vehicles or buying smaller lighter vehicles. And the auto industry flat out sucked balls for their lack of timely adaption for decades, leading to the rise of imports from which the US industry never fully recovered. But even then, with the fallout that DID happen, removing lead from gas just made for shitty cars. There's a difference between sacrificing pep in your 0-60 time on the highway and sacrificing all your energy consumption. It's one thing if your car accelerates like a dog. It's another if your house is 50 degrees, or 40 in winter, or 100 in summer. It's another if it costs you twice as much to keep your refrigerator cold as it did last year. You can't 'adapt' to a shitty refrigerator that doesn't keep your food frozen or your milk cold like you can an underpowered car.
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First sentence of the article: This article describes the personal experience and perspective of the authors, who had primary responsibility for drafting the initial health-based regulation limiting lead content of gasoline during the early 1970s while employed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
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