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Seems like they're trying to fix the Klingons a bit. The pacing of the dialogue is faster, and they have hair now, so they look more like they used to.
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I think I've just learned to accept this for what it is - sci-fi entertainment for a new generation that happens to call itself Star Trek. There is obviously no way they'll ever bridge the gap between this and the original show, and also they obviously don't care. It is what it is.
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One thing I've accepted on the ST mythos as it relates to the Federation is that the Enterprise gets staffed by the supposed best of the best Starfleet has to offer -especially at the higher ranks- since it's the flagship. Therefore they're the ones who've truly drank the Federation koolaid and are totally adherent to the morals of the organization. But the rest of Starfleet is comprised by more pragmatic types on the better end and the morally compromised on the opposite axis. So it kind of makes sense to see Starfleet look the other way in the details of things (Bashir's genetic advancement or Kirk's breaking the time travel rules for example) because the ends justify the means in breaking some of the Federation's rules and allowing an organization like the Section does make sense considering the nature of what it's intended to do but not in the macro sense where it's deliberately breaking the prime directive solely to manipulate another power beyond the point of protecting the existence of the Federation. EDIT: As to Admiral Cain, she was one of the more unfortunate bits to come out of the Ronald D. Moore Battlestar mythos since she bordered on being a moustache twirling villain just for the kick of it since I think it's not reasonable to start marooning your own genocided people in space because your girlfriend betrayed your trust.
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Start using the phased cloaking device and you upset the balance of power. If you're planning a preemptive attack and/or you're 100% sure you can hide the tech until you've armed enough ships that the Romulans can't touch you and you're ok. If not, and the Romulans find out youve broken the treaty they would have no choice but to declare war to defeat you while they are still able.
The Romulans did give the Federation access to cloaking tech. The Defiant on DS9 had it, remember? The Borg are a vast army of slaves. Is it ethical to kill billions and billions of people who are being forced to fight against their will? Maybe, if you don't have any other choice. But Picard and Hugh both proved that a drone could be saved, so there is another choice. A very tough one. It makes for an interesting debate. One thing that isn't debatable is that if Picard had exterminated the Borg would never have got to see Jeri Ryan's fine ass in that catsuit. |
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The (lack of) logic in the Feddies agreeing to abandon cloaking technology is because the writers lazily leaned on the subject as an analogy to real world nuclear armament.
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I can't think of a single real world example of a country declaring war on an enemy because they believe that they are about to develop technology that would upset the balance of power.
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As for the Borg, hell yes, kill them. Kill them all. Picard himself never had any problem killing Borg, even those who were assimilated crew members. Had I been Picard's superior, I would have removed him from command after failing to implement that plan. Jeri Ryan's smoking cat suit notwithstanding. If I'm looking for a series lead to fight and win, I'm taking Sisko over any of the rest of them, even Kirk. Sisko might have regretted playing dirty, but he did it when he had to. |
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QUOTE=Discuss Thrower;14086818]The (lack of) logic in the Feddies agreeing to abandon cloaking technology is because the writers lazily leaned on the subject as an analogy to real world nuclear armament.[/QUOTE]
Kirk stole the cloaking device on TOS. The writers either had to use something like the treaty or explain to the audience each week why they didn't just use the device. Quote:
Peace exists because both sides are equally matched. If the Federation found out that the Romulans were working on some sort of all-powerful Doomsday weapon, what would they have to do to survive? Declare war before the weapon could be perfected. The Romulans would have to do the same thing if the Federation upset the balance of power with the phased cloak. Plan A: Invent, perfect, and implement a new super weapon without your devious and powerful enemies from finding out what you're up to. If that fails... Plan B: Hope that you can survive an all out war with one of the most powerful empires in the galaxy. The Borg I think it's a tough decision. The moral quandary is what makes the episode interesting. Should you use an A bomb to defeat Japan? Should you keep using them until the country is glass? Should you use biological weapons? Is genocide justified? Where is the line between "I'm willing to sacrifice this many of my own people to maintain my humanity" and " It's us or them. Kill 'em all. God will know his own. " Klingons choose to be assholes. Should the Federation have found some way to exterminate them in Kirk's time? Would that have been the right call in the long run? The Borg are less of a race and more of a huge group of people with an infectious disease,from my pov. There may come a point where you have no choice but to destroy them, but I also think, morally, you have to at least try to cure them. The keyboard on a Kindle Fire sucks dick. Sorry for the spelling errors and typos. |
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Wait, they're doing a Michelle Yeoh spinoff series?
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So we are getting a Section 31 spinoff?
I'm cool with that, especially if that is where they decide to focus their action film ideas instead of in Discovery.
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Oh, if it's Section 31-related... yeah, I'd be fine with that.
I thought initially that meant a ****ing Captain Georgiou "origin" series aboard her original ship. |
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