Is Patrick Mahomes the greatest football player of all time in college AND the NFL?

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Greatest of all time? That's a bit of a stretch at this point. Brady has how many rings?

I know Brady is 5-3 in the SB, but I call Brady the best winner to ever play QB. For me, he is absolutely NOT the greatest QB ever.

For me, it will always be Montana, until Mahomes finishes his career. Montana was 4-0 in his 4 SB wins, and threw 16 TD passes and ZERO interceptions.

It's like the Russell/Chamberlain argument. Russell was the winner, but Wilt was the better player.

I would also put Rodgers ahead of Brady, because with the exception of Mahomes this season, I have never watched a QB with better skills than Rodgers. It's almost criminal how the Packers organization failed to surround him with a big time RB or WR over the length of his entire career.

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[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I know Brady is 5-3 in the SB, but I call Brady the best winner to ever play QB. For me, he is absolutely NOT the greatest QB ever.

For me, it will always be Montana, until Mahomes finishes his career. Montana was 4-0 in his 4 SB wins, and threw 16 TD passes and ZERO interceptions.

It's like the Russell/Chamberlain argument. Russell was the winner, but Wilt was the better player.

I would also put Rodgers ahead of Brady, because with the exception of Mahomes this season, I have never watched a QB with better skills than Rodgers. It's almost criminal how the Packers organization failed to surround him with a big time RB or WR over the length of his entire career.

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Yeah, well... Rogers is a dickhead and that's it's own set of problems.

Mahomes has ALL of his talent and is an awesome guy who's not hated by his teammates, coaches, and even his own ****ing family.

Being good at your job, any job, is great. Rogers is toxic. Everyone who leaves that team will tell you he's a ****ing dickhead.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I know Brady is 5-3 in the SB, but I call Brady the best winner to ever play QB. For me, he is absolutely NOT the greatest QB ever.

For me, it will always be Montana, until Mahomes finishes his career. Montana was 4-0 in his 4 SB wins, and threw 16 TD passes and ZERO interceptions.

This debate is the only time that a player is REWARDED for LOSING in a conference championship game.

And the NFC trounced the AFC EVERY freaking year back then. It was a joke. And everyone who was around to watch then knew it. The actual Super Bowl was the NFCCG every damn year, and the SB was just a beat down most of the time.

But somehow that means Montana > Brady.

You realize that Brady's W-L differential is more than Montana's TOTAL wins, including all losses?

I'm fine with picking Montana over Brady based on whatever you saw, if you watched. Montana was more mobile, etc. etc. But this whole 4-0 in SBs thing, while ignoring NFCCG losses like 49-3.

Brady's playoff winning percentage is higher than Montana's.

Meh, whatever. It's not really a debate that can be "answered" so take your choice. I loved Montana and think he was great too. Whether it's 1-2 or 2-1, whatever.

[RINGLEADER]

Patrick Mahomes finishes 2018 with 417.0 fantasy points. That the single greatest fantasy season by a QB in NFL history.

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[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

This debate is the only time that a player is REWARDED for LOSING in a conference championship game.



And the NFC trounced the AFC EVERY freaking year back then. It was a joke. And everyone who was around to watch then knew it. The actual Super Bowl was the NFCCG every damn year, and the SB was just a beat down most of the time.



But somehow that means Montana > Brady.



You realize that Brady's W-L differential is more than Montana's TOTAL wins, including all losses?



I'm fine with picking Montana over Brady based on whatever you saw, if you watched. Montana was more mobile, etc. etc. But this whole 4-0 in SBs thing, while ignoring NFCCG losses like 49-3.



Brady's playoff winning percentage is higher than Montana's.



Meh, whatever. It's not really a debate that can be "answered" so take your choice. I loved Montana and think he was great too. Whether it's 1-2 or 2-1, whatever.

I know you believe Brady is the best, as I suspect every single Pats fan living or dead does, and you should, because that's your team.

But I do not believe that Brady is a better QB than Montana. Sorry. I don't believe he is better than Rodgers. Sorry. I think he is the greatest winner in the history of the NFL. Maybe you think that I am being insulting, but calling him the best winner to ever play football is meant as a compliment.

I remember watching the NFC dominate the AFC in the SB every year. The uneven balance of power does not diminish Montana's greatness in the Super Bowl. He didn't have a say in who the 49ers played. What he did was play nearly perfect, mistake free football on the biggest stage, against the best team from the AFC. 16 TDs against 0 INTs.

What Brady has done, appearing in 8 Super Bowls, winning 5 of them, will probably never happen again. But, judging who the best QB in NFL history is subjective, and I pick Montana.

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