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Old 09-21-2018, 08:41 AM  
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Justin Houston’s last year in KC?
I’m not an expert on these contracts, but could it be Houston’s last year here? His production has been awful and with two games this year with big leads and lots of down the field pass attempts by opposing QBs, Houston has no sacks. I think he has less sacks in the last 50 or so games than he did in the year before his contract, the big year with 22 sacks. His cap hit will decline dramatically next year. He might be gone. As a general rule, I think the chiefs should limit these large 2nd contracts. The motivation just isn’t there. The raiders were right to trade Khalil Mack. Here’s the info on Houston’s contract. Let’s hope Houston turns it around. We need him for a playoff run but if he doesn’t increase production, I think he’s gone.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...-houston-7789/
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Old 09-23-2018, 03:09 PM   #166
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Well he’s made one big play on the season now. That’s a step in the right direction...
Let's see if he can do it two weeks in a row!
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:07 AM   #167
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:24 AM   #168
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I personally think his energy level right now stinks. He needs to get some film out and watch how Miller and Mack approach this thing. They are running around like their hair is on fire flying around the football. Heck when Aaron Rogers' threw the go ahead TD for the Packers in Week 1, Mack ran the whole field trying to make the tackle. Houston whiffs on getting Jimmy G on a sack yesterday and loops around after missing him jogging. He acts like he has played 80 snaps no matter what time in the game. IMO he just seems like he is dogging it.
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:36 AM   #169
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I'd be curious to see how many times Houston was dropped into coverage during his prime years under Sutton in comparison to how much he is on coverage now.

Anyone curious/bored enough to research this stat?
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:40 AM   #170
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I'd be curious to see how many times Houston was dropped into coverage during his prime years under Sutton in comparison to how much he is on coverage now.

Anyone curious/bored enough to research this stat?
I don't have time to do the research now but I can say this:

Sutton's zone blitz scheme was similarly criticized when he was with the Jets.
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:42 AM   #171
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Justin Houston was our Lawrence Taylor, now he's Carl Banks a fine player in his own right just not a cornerstone pass rusher.
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:43 AM   #172
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For what Houston brings isn't his contract comparable to the better players in the league right now?
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:48 AM   #173
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For what Houston brings isn't his contract comparable to the better players in the league right now?
Not really, if you aren't a league leading pass rusher his contract is kind of ridiculous.

He's a good do it all player right now he's not elite anymore so he probably should make about half of what he does.
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Old 09-24-2018, 01:31 PM   #174
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For what Houston brings isn't his contract comparable to the better players in the league right now?
In terms of 2018 cap hits, Justin Houston has a higher cap hit than Khalil Mack and Von Miller.

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Old 09-24-2018, 01:32 PM   #175
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In terms of 2018 cap hits, Justin Houston has a higher cap hit than Khalil Mack and Von Miller.

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Old 09-24-2018, 01:35 PM   #176
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Well, yeah. He's further along in his deal than Khalil.
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Ouch.
Yea his contract is older, that's just how it is.
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Cutting Houston and tagging Ford would be madness, tag would be north of $15m and then $7.5m of dead cap from Houston means 1 OLB slot on the roster is costing you probably $25m and you're getting Ford for that? Insanity.

There's $50m in cap space as it stands right now for 2019 with Berry and Houston on no kind of re-structure, even after re-signing role players and looking at an extension or two you're still probably looking at $25-30m to spend on free agents on the defense next year, seems like a decent amount of cash to me?

I'd probably look at big name safety and D line free agents, then look at lower cost serviceable options for OLB and CB with all top 3 draft picks going on the defense again.
I took heat for saying the same thing about Hill. I’m not sure I want to be at the top of the market for anyone except Mahomes (provided he deserves it). There just isn’t the return.

It is and always has been a function of productivity (in this case plays that win games) per unit salary. There just aren’t enough plays available at any position to afford to go out and be at the top of the market except QB.

I think in practice it would never work - you probably can’t be cheap everywhere. And I’m totally not against Free Agents. Just not ones at the top of the market.

Before I get put on blast again, I am open to being wrong about Hill. But if he wants OBJ money we are probably better off letting him get it elsewhere.

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Justin Houston was our Lawrence Taylor, now he's Carl Banks a fine player in his own right just not a cornerstone pass rusher.
That’s a really good comparison.
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