Is Patrick Mahomes the greatest football player of all time in college AND the NFL?

[Hammock Parties]

No other QB has ever thrown for 5,000 yards and/or 50 in the NCAA and the NFL.

Yards-wise, you have several dudes who have thrown for 4k in college and in the pros. The next closest dude is Big Ben who had 4,486 in college and 4,952 in the NFL.

After that you get

Matt Ryan (4500/4900)
Phil Rivers (4500/4800)
Jared Goff (4700/4500)
Scott Mitchell (4300/4300)
Deshaun Watson (4600/4200)
Jameis Winston (4000/4100)
Derek Carr (4100/4000)

Touchdown wise, the next closest dude is Drew Brees. He threw 39 during his best college season and has two NFL seasons of 40+.

After that you get

Peyton Manning (36/55)
Dan Marino (37/48)
Andrew Luck (37/40)
Ben Roethlisberger (37/32)
Derek Carr (50/32)

There are some pedestrian names who have joined the 4k club, and but given the combination of yards AND touchdowns, and the fact that there are seven hall of famers here that will never do what Mahomes has done in his first season...

I'm pretty sure Mahomes is the greatest football player of all time.

[TwistedChief]

Yes.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Yes.

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[Baby Lee]

Reminded me of this bit of history revisited.

Football alone might be insufficient to put Mahomes in perspective.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Reminded me of this bit of history revisited.

Football alone might be insufficient to put Mahomes in perspective.

We're going to need an analysis of every major sport and the Hall of Famers who duplicated their NCAA-leading totals as pros.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

We're going to need an analysis of every major sport and the Hall of Famers who duplicated their NCAA-leading totals as pros.

LeBron didn't go to college. Does that make him the best of all?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

LeBron didn't go to college. Does that make him the best of all?

What were his HS numbers?

If he wasn't averaging at least 40/15/10 he doesn't enter into this equation.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

What were his HS numbers?

If he wasn't averaging at least 40/15/10 he doesn't enter into this equation.

Prior to the start of his junior year, James appeared in SLAM Magazine and writer Ryan Jones lauded him as possibly "the best high school basketball player in America right now".[14] During the season, he appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated, becoming the first high school basketball underclassman to do so.[5]:104 With averages of 29 points, 8.3 rebounds, 5.7 assists, and 3.3 steals per game, he was again named Ohio Mr. Basketball and selected to the USA Today All-USA First Team,[10] and became the first junior to be named male basketball Gatorade National Player of the Year. [5]:117 St. Vincent-St. Mary finished the year with a 23–4 record, ending their season with a loss in the Division II championship game.[5]:114 Following the loss, James unsuccessfully petitioned for a change to the NBA's draft eligibility rules, which required prospective players to have at least a high school diploma, in an attempt to enter the 2002 NBA draft.[15] During this time, he used marijuana, which he said was to help cope with the stress that resulted from the constant media attention he was receiving.[16]

Throughout his senior year, James and the Fighting Irish traveled around the country to play a number of nationally ranked teams, including a game against Oak Hill Academy that was nationally televised on ESPN2.[5]:142 Time Warner Cable, looking to capitalize on James's popularity, offered St. Vincent-St. Mary's games to subscribers on a pay-per-view basis throughout the season.[5]:143 For the year, James averaged 31.6 points, 9.6 rebounds, 4.6 assists, and 3.4 steals per game,[10] was named Ohio Mr. Basketball and selected to the USA Today All-USA First Team for an unprecedented third consecutive year,[5]:178 and was named Gatorade National Player of the Year for the second consecutive year.[10] He participated in three year-end high school basketball all-star games—the EA Sports Roundball Classic, the Jordan Capital Classic, and the McDonald's All-American Game—losing his National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) eligibility and making it official that he would enter the 2003 NBA draft.[17]

[petegz28]

Greatest of all time? That's a bit of a stretch at this point. Brady has how many rings?

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Greatest of all time? That's a bit of a stretch at this point. Brady has how many rings?

What did Brady do in college?

Try to follow along....

[Bump]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

What did Brady do in college?

Try to follow along....

sat behind somebody

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Greatest of all time? That's a bit of a stretch at this point. Brady has how many rings?

I know Brady is 5-3 in the SB, but I call Brady the best winner to ever play QB. For me, he is absolutely NOT the greatest QB ever.

For me, it will always be Montana, until Mahomes finishes his career. Montana was 4-0 in his 4 SB wins, and threw 16 TD passes and ZERO interceptions.

It's like the Russell/Chamberlain argument. Russell was the winner, but Wilt was the better player.

I would also put Rodgers ahead of Brady, because with the exception of Mahomes this season, I have never watched a QB with better skills than Rodgers. It's almost criminal how the Packers organization failed to surround him with a big time RB or WR over the length of his entire career.

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[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I know Brady is 5-3 in the SB, but I call Brady the best winner to ever play QB. For me, he is absolutely NOT the greatest QB ever.

For me, it will always be Montana, until Mahomes finishes his career. Montana was 4-0 in his 4 SB wins, and threw 16 TD passes and ZERO interceptions.

It's like the Russell/Chamberlain argument. Russell was the winner, but Wilt was the better player.

I would also put Rodgers ahead of Brady, because with the exception of Mahomes this season, I have never watched a QB with better skills than Rodgers. It's almost criminal how the Packers organization failed to surround him with a big time RB or WR over the length of his entire career.

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Yeah, well... Rogers is a dickhead and that's it's own set of problems.

Mahomes has ALL of his talent and is an awesome guy who's not hated by his teammates, coaches, and even his own ****ing family.

Being good at your job, any job, is great. Rogers is toxic. Everyone who leaves that team will tell you he's a ****ing dickhead.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I know Brady is 5-3 in the SB, but I call Brady the best winner to ever play QB. For me, he is absolutely NOT the greatest QB ever.

For me, it will always be Montana, until Mahomes finishes his career. Montana was 4-0 in his 4 SB wins, and threw 16 TD passes and ZERO interceptions.

This debate is the only time that a player is REWARDED for LOSING in a conference championship game.

And the NFC trounced the AFC EVERY freaking year back then. It was a joke. And everyone who was around to watch then knew it. The actual Super Bowl was the NFCCG every damn year, and the SB was just a beat down most of the time.

But somehow that means Montana > Brady.

You realize that Brady's W-L differential is more than Montana's TOTAL wins, including all losses?

I'm fine with picking Montana over Brady based on whatever you saw, if you watched. Montana was more mobile, etc. etc. But this whole 4-0 in SBs thing, while ignoring NFCCG losses like 49-3.

Brady's playoff winning percentage is higher than Montana's.

Meh, whatever. It's not really a debate that can be "answered" so take your choice. I loved Montana and think he was great too. Whether it's 1-2 or 2-1, whatever.

[RINGLEADER]

Patrick Mahomes finishes 2018 with 417.0 fantasy points. That the single greatest fantasy season by a QB in NFL history.

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) December 31, 2018