X-Men: Apocalypse

[keg in kc]

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Kinda dissapointed that Magneto is one of the Horsemen in this one. Wish they could've gotten Channing Tatum wrapped in so Gambit could've been in there instead.

Was there any question that that's what would happen anyway?

I'm more concerned with whether or not they'll try to include the Celestials in this one.

[salame]

Looks so bad ass

[Aries Walker]

This looks okay, but I'm not getting a super thrilling vibe about it. I feel like it will be the standard X-Men level of good but not great. It also doesn't help that it will be coming out later in the same month as Captain America.

The thing I can't get past is how small Apocalypse looks. In the comics, he's a hulking enormous monster, but here he looks like a skinny guy in a spaceman suit. Even Robocop - who, under it all, was a skinny guy in a spaceman suit - looked more intimidating than Apocalypse does.

Mohawk Storm looks good, though, and I'm glad they're getting away from every movie being The Wolverine Show.

[Aries Walker]

Nitpicky addendum: "Tens of thousands of years ago"? Only 5,000 years takes you back to before Egypt existed. 10,000 was the very beginnings of civilization. "Tens of thousands" of years would mean Apocalypse was at best a hunter-gatherer nomad, or maybe a straight-up caveman. I don't think that's the vibe they're going for.

Sorry, nitpick over.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Nitpicky addendum: "Tens of thousands of years ago"? Only 5,000 years takes you back to before Egypt existed. 10,000 was the very beginnings of civilization. "Tens of thousands" of years would mean Apocalypse was at best a hunter-gatherer nomad, or maybe a straight-up caveman. I don't think that's the vibe they're going for.

Sorry, nitpick over.

some continuities that's right on point.

[keg in kc]

Tangent: I think we're eventually going to 'discover' that civilization has existed much longer than 5000 years. At some point the resistance of tenured historians to any timeline other than their established one will be overcome.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Tangent: I think we're eventually going to 'discover' that civilization has existed much longer than 5000 years. At some point the resistance of tenured historians to any timeline other than their established one will be overcome.

Many scientists believe that the erosion on the sphinx could have only been caused by rain fall and climate studies show that the amount of rain that it would have taken hasn't fallen in Egypt in over 10,000 years.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Was there any question that that's what would happen anyway?

I'm more concerned with whether or not they'll try to include the Celestials in this one.

That place "Nowhere" in Guardians of the galaxy was the inside of one their heads, and the collector also shows one destroying a planet.
Marvel owns their rights.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Many scientists believe that the erosion on the sphinx could have only been caused by rain fall and climate studies show that the amount of rain that it would have taken hasn't fallen in Egypt in over 10,000 years.

Not sure 'many' is accurate but geologist Robert Schoch certainly believes that.

There's also some interesting things being discovered at sites like Gobleki Tepe in Turkey and at a number of underwater locations like Yonaguni off the coast of Japan.

My personal theory is that there was a cataclysm about 12k years ago which is the genesis of the flood myth found in so many religions (including the bible...) and oral histories, a cataclysm that destroyed an ancient civilization we know next to nothing about. Thanks to much of it currently being underwater.

But it would be impossible to prove at this point, since so little of the ocean floor has actually been explored.

In any case, this is a Marvel film. So they can create whatever the hell world history they want.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Not sure 'many' is accurate but geologist Robert Schoch certainly believes that.

There's also some interesting things being discovered at sites like Gobleki Tepe in Turkey and at a number of underwater locations like Yonaguni off the coast of Japan.

My personal theory is that there was a cataclysm about 12k years ago which is the genesis of the flood myth found in so many religions (including the bible...) and oral histories, a cataclysm that destroyed an ancient civilization we know next to nothing about. Thanks to much of it currently being underwater.

But it would be impossible to prove at this point, since so little of the ocean floor has actually been explored.

In any case, this is a Marvel film. So they can create whatever the hell world history they want.

Actually, the flood myth probably comes from when the Black Sea flooded and became the Black Sea. The Dardanelles used to be a thin land bridge between Europe and Asia. At some point in history the land bridge collapsed and the Black Sea flooded to its current size. Of course there were people living on the shore and the flood zone. The survivors spread the tale and that is why so many Mediterranean cultures have a flood myth.

Same thing is true about the city of Ubar/Iram in Arabia. There was a city that was buried in the sands overnight but it had nothing to do with god but a sinkhole over a limestone cavern.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Actually, the flood myth probably comes from when the Black Sea flooded and became the Black Sea. The Dardanelles used to be a thin land bridge between Europe and Asia. At some point in history the land bridge collapsed and the Black Sea flooded to its current size. Of course there were people living on the shore and the flood zone. The survivors spread the tale and that is why so many Mediterranean cultures have a flood myth.

Same thing is true about the city of Ubar/Iram in Arabia. There was a city that was buried in the sands overnight but it had nothing to do with god but a sinkhole over a limestone cavern.

Flood myths are found in cultures literally around the globe, including places as far removed from the so-called 'cradle of civilization' as pre-Colombian Mesoamerica.

Although I also think we're very far off in terms of recognizing how well more traditionally 'ancient' civilizations from places like Africa and Asia were able to navigate the oceans, so perhaps myths were spread that way, as well. In which case histories from places like the Mediterranean may have spread culturally speaking. But again even acknowledging that possibility would require some revision of standard, tenured history. Which isn't likely to happen.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Flood myths are found in cultures literally around the globe, including places as far removed from the so-called 'cradle of civilization' as pre-Colombian Mesoamerica.

Although I also think we're very far off in terms of recognizing how well more traditionally 'ancient' civilizations from places like Africa and Asia were able to navigate the oceans, so perhaps myths were spread that way, as well. In which case histories from places like the Mediterranean may have spread culturally speaking. But again even acknowledging that possibility would require some revision of standard, tenured history. Which isn't likely to happen.

Well, the thing is where do draw the line between towns and state level civilizations. There is quite a bit of evidence that there were towns long before any state level civilization. Evidence of long range trade goes back to the early stone age.

Take the Pacific Northwest. There were certainly permanent towns of natives who shared a common culture but there was no government above the town chieftain and the different towns often made war with each other. The Iroquois had a much more complex government but not as permanent towns.

Of course the Central and South American civilizations dwarfed anything in North America when it came to being actual state level civilizations.

[keg in kc]

I was talking about ships from classical Egypt and China reaching North America thousands of years ago, and the possibility/probability that there was ongoing trade between the continents. We talk about the oceans like they were barriers when they may have been roads, basically. In any case, I think it goes without saying at this point that the idea of Columbus 'discovering' America is a false narrative, and that it goes back thousands of years, as difficult as it may be for those of us in the western world to admit. Europe is not the center of everything....

[Bowser]

SCHOLAR FIGHT!! SCHOLAR FIGHT!!!

[ThaVirus]

Please, continue. I think ancient civilizations are hella interesting.