Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 131

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

RunKC · 11-14-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

Berry better come with a vengeance and help the team win a SB or I won't like him very much.

There was a reason Dorsey didn't want to pay him all that money that he wanted and I never really liked how Berry wouldn't budge and here he is being useless.

Wouldn’t budge?

Good for him. I will side with the players over the owners every single time. Guy wants to max his value after playing like an all-pro to make as much as he can for a short time in his life? Awesome.

The owners don’t give a shit about the players.

OKchiefs · 11-14-2018, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jjkrueg

Don’t think we’ll get our update today, isn’t everything pushed back a day due to game on Monday rather than Sunday?

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Probably have to wait another day to hear that Berry continues to be a lme ass ****. I doubt this mother ****ers is even ready after the bye.

Buckweath · 11-14-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Wouldn’t budge?

Good for him. I will side with the players over the owners every single time. Guy wants to max his value after playing like an all-pro to make as much as he can for a short time in his life? Awesome.

The owners don’t give a shit about the players.

No players, no team. The owners certainly care about the players but business is business.

As a fan, I don't care about players as much as I care about the team and I do know that giving that big contract to Berry so far has hurt the team.

If there was no salary cap, I wouldn't care about giving the players all the money in the world, granted that at the end of the day it is always the fans who are paying those salaries.

But with a salary cap, you need to balance out all the risks and give fair value, nothing more. That's part of building a great team and maintaining a great team.

Some of those players really don't care about the team, they just care about themselves. I do understand them to a certain extent. But again, as a fan of the KC Chiefs, I don't see why I would side with said players when giving them those huge contracts can hurt the team.

GloryDayz · 11-14-2018, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Wouldn’t budge?

Good for him. I will side with the players over the owners every single time. Guy wants to max his value after playing like an all-pro to make as much as he can for a short time in his life? Awesome.

The owners don’t give a shit about the players.

Dumb! And THAT'S another reason we're working on year #48...

RunKC · 11-14-2018, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

No players, no team. The owners certainly care about the players but business is business.

The owners don’t give two shits about the players.

TNF is a glaring example of the stupidity of pissing away player safety in order to get extra $$.

Just yesterday the NFL was trying to make their players play on a shit field in Mexico until the players got the players union involved

carcosa · 11-14-2018, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Wouldn’t budge?

Good for him. I will side with the players over the owners every single time. Guy wants to max his value after playing like an all-pro to make as much as he can for a short time in his life? Awesome.

The owners don’t give a shit about the players.

Yeah. It's frustrating as a fan, but I don't blame him one bit.

**** the owners

FloridaMan88 · 11-14-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Wouldn’t budge?

Good for him. I will side with the players over the owners every single time. Guy wants to max his value after playing like an all-pro to make as much as he can for a short time in his life? Awesome.

The owners don’t give a shit about the players.

The Chiefs stuck with Eric Berry during his cancer recovery, when there was some talk that it wouldn't make business sense to commit to a player long term who had an uncertain health situation, and ultimately gave him one of the richest contracts ever for a safety.

Your "owners don't give a shit about the players" generality doesn't apply to Eric Berry's situation.

Try again dumbshit.

RINGLEADER · 11-14-2018, 01:07 PM

Was listening to NFL Radio and Jim Miller evidently had this same condition. He had surgery where they went in and detatched the achilles and shaved down the bone and then re-attached everything. He had is on both heels. Even after the surgery both achilles snapped. He didn't think there was much anyone could do but couldn't understand why Berry wasn't just on IR because it isn't a condition that gets better on its own. He may be able to play but eventually the tendon is going to pop.

FWIW...

RunKC · 11-14-2018, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The Chiefs stuck with Eric Berry during his cancer recovery, when there was some talk that it wouldn't make business sense to commit to a player long term who had an uncertain health situation, and ultimately gave him one of the richest contracts ever for a safety.

Your "owners don't give a shit about the players" generality doesn't apply to Eric Berry's situation.

Try again dumbshit.

Yeah I bet Clark was thrilled about pissing off his fanbase by not taking care of the most popular player on the team (at the time) who was recovering from cancer.

I’m sure he was all about taking on a mountain of bad PR by shitting on his best player with cancer, hurting his own business and staining his family’s good name.

Totally

FloridaMan88 · 11-14-2018, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Yeah I bet Clark was thrilled about pissing off his fanbase by not taking care of the most popular player on the team (at the time) who was recovering from cancer.

I’m sure he was all about taking on a mountain of bad PR by shitting on his best player with cancer, hurting his own business and staining his family’s good name.

Totally

your head is so far up Eric Berry's quitting ass.

You sound even more like an incoherent mental defect than your usual dumbshit self.

Marcellus · 11-14-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The owners don’t give two shits about the players.

TNF is a glaring example of the stupidity of pissing away player safety in order to get extra $$.

Just yesterday the NFL was trying to make their players play on a shit field in Mexico until the players got the players union involved

I have seen zero evidence that TNF contributes to player injuries or is any type of risk.

They have been playing TNF long enough if there was a correlation we would see evidence of it.

Football Outsiders actually did a study and found no evidence of higher injury rate. Oddly it actually appears to be slightly lower.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...-more-injuries

RunKC · 11-14-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

your head is so far up Eric Berry's quitting ass.

You sound even more like an incoherent mental defect than your usual dumbshit self.

/tapout acknowledged

Marcellus · 11-14-2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

your head is so far up Eric Berry's quitting ass.

You sound even more like an incoherent mental defect than your usual dumbshit self.

RunKC is literally (and I mean that literally) twice the football IQ poster that you are, you shouldn't be calling anyone stupid. Ever.

htismaqe · 11-14-2018, 01:35 PM

Who is this Eric Berry fellow? Have I seen him play?

Marcellus · 11-14-2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Who is this Eric Berry fellow? Have I seen him play?

He is the homeless looking dude with the notepad on the sideline.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1836899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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