Chiefs Article: Chiefs Most Likely Landing Spot for Foles

htismaqe · 02-12-2013, 03:02 PM

I do find it rather amazing that the same arguments being used to JUSTIFY trading picks for Foles are being used AGAINST drafting Geno Smith at #1 overall.

Apparently, being a highly-accurate QB in a 1-read offense is okay as long as you are somebody else's castoff...

Frosty · 02-12-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I do find it rather amazing that the same arguments being used to JUSTIFY trading picks for Foles are being used AGAINST drafting Geno Smith at #1 overall.

Apparently, being a highly-accurate QB in a 1-read offense is okay as long as you are somebody else's castoff...

I'm hoping that the Chiefs draft Geno or Wilson (not a fan of Barkley). I just think some of the anti-Foles stuff is ridiculous and largely based on bad memories of trading for Cassel.

htismaqe · 02-12-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

I'm hoping that the Chiefs draft Geno or Wilson (not a fan of Barkley). I just think some of the anti-Foles stuff is ridiculous and largely based on bad memories of trading for Cassel.

Oh, I'm not anti-Foles.

I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter.

And at that point, I have to be asking myself "WHY"?

I just can't think of a good reason to bring Foles here when we're sitting on the #1 overall pick.

Draft a backup in the 3rd this year.

Hammock Parties · 02-12-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Oh, I'm not anti-Foles.

I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter.

Because the QB position is important. I am absolutely not content throwing all our eggs in Geno's basket.

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Draft a backup in the 3rd this year.

What?

So it's OK to draft a QB at #65...but don't trade that pick for Foles!

htismaqe · 02-12-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Because the QB position is important. I am absolutely not content throwing all our eggs in Geno's basket.

So sign a free agent.

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So it's OK to draft a QB at #65...but don't trade that pick for Foles!

I guess you've missed where most of the speculation is that getting Foles would require a SECOND round pick, not a 3rd.

Frosty · 02-12-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Oh, I'm not anti-Foles.

I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter.

And at that point, I have to be asking myself "WHY"?

I just can't think of a good reason to bring Foles here when we're sitting on the #1 overall pick.

Draft a backup in the 3rd this year.

Totally agree except for drafting a back up in the 3rd. That pick is too valuable to use on a 2nd QB. Draft Geno or Wilson at #1, sign a veteran back up and roll with Stanzi this year.

Draft your backup/development guy next year.

htismaqe · 02-12-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

Totally agree except for drafting a back up in the 3rd. That pick is too valuable to use on a 2nd QB. Draft Geno or Wilson at #1, sign a veteran back up and roll with Stanzi this year.

Draft your backup/development guy next year.

Sure, whatever.

That works too.

Chris Meck · 02-12-2013, 03:26 PM

For my part at least, I have two scenarios in which Foles makes sense.

1)Reid loves the kid and thinks he's got 'it'. He doesn't feel like there's anyone in the draft that's any better and he's already got one year of tutelage with Foles, so it's a head start. You trade 1sts and get a 2nd/or give up a 3rd/whatever for the kid and don't look back. This is a Brett Favre to Green Bay scenario, not a Matt Cassel 2.0 scenario.

2)Reid likes the kid, thinks he's got potential but wants to stack the position, so he trades for him AND drafts the best QB available at the Chiefs highest pick. Depending on what you have to give up, that could be as high as #4 (a swap of firsts) or a 2nd. So it could still be Geno Smith/Wilson/Barkley/or Nassib/Dysert. If this happens, I think Reid's intention would be to have an open competition, best man wins. This is a less risky Seattle 2012 scenario.

And again, I still think drafting Geno and signing a crafty old vet is my preference. It IS possible, however, that Reid thinks a Nassib or the like is just as likely to work out for him as Geno/Wilson/Barkley (Ryan's numbers are good, he's got a gun for an arm and high intangibles).

It's all just speculation, anyway.

King_Chief_Fan · 02-12-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

For my part at least, I have two scenarios in which Foles makes sense.

1)Reid loves the kid and thinks he's got 'it'. He doesn't feel like there's anyone in the draft that's any better and he's already got one year of tutelage with Foles, so it's a head start. You trade 1sts and get a 2nd/or give up a 3rd/whatever for the kid and don't look back. This is a Brett Favre to Green Bay scenario, not a Matt Cassel 2.0 scenario.

2)Reid likes the kid, thinks he's got potential but wants to stack the position, so he trades for him AND drafts the best QB available at the Chiefs highest pick. Depending on what you have to give up, that could be as high as #4 (a swap of firsts) or a 2nd. So it could still be Geno Smith/Wilson/Barkley/or Nassib/Dysert. If this happens, I think Reid's intention would be to have an open competition, best man wins. This is a less risky Seattle 2012 scenario.

And again, I still think drafting Geno and signing a crafty old vet is my preference. It IS possible, however, that Reid thinks a Nassib or the like is just as likely to work out for him as Geno/Wilson/Barkley (Ryan's numbers are good, he's got a gun for an arm and high intangibles).

It's all just speculation, anyway.

and any one of those three are win/win

htismaqe · 02-12-2013, 03:58 PM

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and any one of those three are win/win

Scenario #1 is NOT a win/win.

If Foles busts, you have no contingency plan.

DTLB58 · 02-12-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Oh, I'm not anti-Foles.

I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter.

And at that point, I have to be asking myself "WHY"?

I just can't think of a good reason to bring Foles here when we're sitting on the #1 overall pick.

Draft a backup in the 3rd this year.

Well, maybe they aren't drafting a QB #1 overall and he really likes the guy he drafted last year and already knows?

Even if they take a QB 1 and spend a 3 on a trade for Foles, a new guy instead would only be a year younger potentially.

Coaches are creatures of habit so they like to go with what they know and what got them there. Hence, taking all the same coaches with them and the same players.

**RealSNR** · 02-12-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Well, maybe they aren't drafting a QB #1 overall and he really likes the guy he drafted last year and already knows?

Even if they take a QB 1 and spend a 3 on a trade for Foles, a new guy instead would only be a year younger potentially.

Coaches are creatures of habit so they like to go with what they know and what got them there. Hence, taking all the same coaches with them and the same players.

If we don't draft a QB at 1, I won't give a shit what the **** they do about the position.

My interest in the Chiefs will plummet to zero.

htismaqe · 02-12-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Well, maybe they aren't drafting a QB #1 overall and he really likes the guy he drafted last year and already knows?

In that case, you're not talking about Foles as a backup anymore. You're talking about Foles as the starter. No thanks.

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Even if they take a QB 1 and spend a 3 on a trade for Foles, a new guy instead would only be a year younger potentially.

Why spend a 3rd rounder on Foles when you could sign a free agent for nothing? Foles has ZERO value as a mentor to a young QB. He's essentially a rookie himself. Again, no thanks.

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Coaches are creatures of habit so they like to go with what they know and what got them there. Hence, taking all the same coaches with them and the same players.

Hence why they're all looking for jobs every 3 years.

**BossChief** · 02-12-2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Oh, I'm not anti-Foles.

I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter.

And at that point, I have to be asking myself "WHY"?

I just can't think of a good reason to bring Foles here when we're sitting on the #1 overall pick.

Draft a backup in the 3rd this year.

That's a little silly. Don't ya think?

Foles was drafted by Andy Reid already and has a year of experience in his system and a half a year of playing experience, too.

I'd have no problem sending them a 4th and a late rounder for him if he is even available and Reid thinks its worth it.

In this league, you NEED 2 qbs.

htismaqe · 02-12-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

That's a little silly. Don't ya think?

Foles was drafted by Andy Reid already and has a year of experience in his system and a half a year of playing experience, too.

I'd have no problem sending them a 4th and a late rounder for him if he is even available and Reid thinks its worth it.

In this league, you NEED 2 qbs.

Again, you're saying 4th or later.

Everything I'm seeing is SECOND or THIRD.

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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1804910	For my part at least, I have two scenarios in which Foles makes sense. 1)Reid loves the kid and thinks he's got 'it'. He doesn't feel like there's anyone in the draft that's any better and he's already got one year of tutelage with Foles, so it's a head start. You trade 1sts and get a 2nd/or give up a 3rd/whatever for the kid and don't look back. This is a Brett Favre to Green Bay scenario, not a Matt Cassel 2.0 scenario. 2)Reid likes the kid, thinks he's got potential but wants to stack the position, so he trades for him AND drafts the best QB available at the Chiefs highest pick. Depending on what you have to give up, that could be as high as #4 (a swap of firsts) or a 2nd. So it could still be Geno Smith/Wilson/Barkley/or Nassib/Dysert. If this happens, I think Reid's intention would be to have an open competition, best man wins. This is a less risky Seattle 2012 scenario. And again, I still think drafting Geno and signing a crafty old vet is my preference. It IS possible, however, that Reid thinks a Nassib or the like is just as likely to work out for him as Geno/Wilson/Barkley (Ryan's numbers are good, he's got a gun for an arm and high intangibles). It's all just speculation, anyway.
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