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Old 02-11-2013, 11:03 PM  
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Article: Chiefs Most Likely Landing Spot for Foles

Now that Vick has re-signed with Philly, it makes sense that this stuff would start coming out given the Reid/Foles connection.

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Chiefs a logical landing spot if Nick Foles is dealt

By Dan Hanzus
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Published: Feb. 11, 2013 at 08:12 p.m. Updated: Feb. 12, 2013 at 12:06 a.m.

Chip Kelly said Monday it was his "hope" the Philadelphia Eagles will have both Michael Vick and Nick Foles on the roster come Week 1.

Kelly called it an "open competition" at quarterback and stressed that Foles was kept in the loop on the Eagles' thinking in restructuring Vick's deal. It certainly doesn't sound like the Eagles are about to ship Foles out of town.

That said, Kelly didn't rule out a possible trade. Around The League checked in with NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah, who served as the Eagles' west coast scout from 2010-12. Jeremiah doesn't know the Eagles' internal thinking on the matter, but he pointed to the Kansas City Chiefs as a potential trade fit.

The logic is simple: Andy Reid took over as head coach of the Chiefs last month after 14 seasons in Philadelphia. His staff includes Doug Pederson, the former Eagles' quarterbacks coach who now serves as the Chiefs' offensive coordinator. Foles' skill-set is ideally suited for the West Coast offense, and he spent his rookie season learning the Reid playbook in Philadelphia.

"I know both Andy Reid and Doug Pederson were very high on Nick Foles and his future," Jeremiah said. "They were huge supporters through the entire process and believe in him greatly.

"I would think they would explore that opportunity if it presented itself."

Reid and Pederson love Foles' size and accuracy, two traits they covet at the position. And while we don't imagine the Eagles would bend over backwards to help Reid, it certainly helps that the divorce between coach and team was largely amicable. That Reid now operates in a different conference doesn't hurt, either.

Kelly said Monday that every NFL team needs two quarterbacks. There's logic to that, especially when Vick is one of them. But if Reid wanted Foles enough, the Eagles would have to at least listen.

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Old 02-12-2013, 02:08 PM   #121
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I do find it rather amazing that the same arguments being used to JUSTIFY trading picks for Foles are being used AGAINST drafting Geno Smith at #1 overall.

Apparently, being a highly-accurate QB in a 1-read offense is okay as long as you are somebody else's castoff...
I'm hoping that the Chiefs draft Geno or Wilson (not a fan of Barkley). I just think some of the anti-Foles stuff is ridiculous and largely based on bad memories of trading for Cassel.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:10 PM   #122
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As Foles should be.
Personally, I believe that with quality coaching and the right system, Foles will be on a level with Matt Ryan - not elite but a step above Andy Dalton.

Time will tell who's right.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:11 PM   #123
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I'm hoping that the Chiefs draft Geno or Wilson (not a fan of Barkley). I just think some of the anti-Foles stuff is ridiculous and largely based on bad memories of trading for Cassel.
Oh, I'm not anti-Foles.

I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter.

And at that point, I have to be asking myself "WHY"?

I just can't think of a good reason to bring Foles here when we're sitting on the #1 overall pick.

Draft a backup in the 3rd this year.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:15 PM   #124
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Oh, I'm not anti-Foles.

I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter.
Because the QB position is important. I am absolutely not content throwing all our eggs in Geno's basket.

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What?

So it's OK to draft a QB at #65...but don't trade that pick for Foles!
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:16 PM   #125
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What if NFL people think Geno sucks but think Nick Foles is awesome?

What if unicorns break open my door and anally rape me with their horns?
lmao. Literally. I like the line stating that "the logic is simple". No, simple Jack, YOU are simple. Lolz...
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:17 PM   #126
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Oh, I'm not anti-Foles.

I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter.

And at that point, I have to be asking myself "WHY"?

I just can't think of a good reason to bring Foles here when we're sitting on the #1 overall pick.

Draft a backup in the 3rd this year.
Totally agree except for drafting a back up in the 3rd. That pick is too valuable to use on a 2nd QB. Draft Geno or Wilson at #1, sign a veteran back up and roll with Stanzi this year.

Draft your backup/development guy next year.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:21 PM   #127
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Because the QB position is important. I am absolutely not content throwing all our eggs in Geno's basket.
So sign a free agent.

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So it's OK to draft a QB at #65...but don't trade that pick for Foles!
I guess you've missed where most of the speculation is that getting Foles would require a SECOND round pick, not a 3rd.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:22 PM   #128
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Totally agree except for drafting a back up in the 3rd. That pick is too valuable to use on a 2nd QB. Draft Geno or Wilson at #1, sign a veteran back up and roll with Stanzi this year.

Draft your backup/development guy next year.
Sure, whatever.

That works too.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:26 PM   #129
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For my part at least, I have two scenarios in which Foles makes sense.

1)Reid loves the kid and thinks he's got 'it'. He doesn't feel like there's anyone in the draft that's any better and he's already got one year of tutelage with Foles, so it's a head start. You trade 1sts and get a 2nd/or give up a 3rd/whatever for the kid and don't look back. This is a Brett Favre to Green Bay scenario, not a Matt Cassel 2.0 scenario.

2)Reid likes the kid, thinks he's got potential but wants to stack the position, so he trades for him AND drafts the best QB available at the Chiefs highest pick. Depending on what you have to give up, that could be as high as #4 (a swap of firsts) or a 2nd. So it could still be Geno Smith/Wilson/Barkley/or Nassib/Dysert. If this happens, I think Reid's intention would be to have an open competition, best man wins. This is a less risky Seattle 2012 scenario.

And again, I still think drafting Geno and signing a crafty old vet is my preference. It IS possible, however, that Reid thinks a Nassib or the like is just as likely to work out for him as Geno/Wilson/Barkley (Ryan's numbers are good, he's got a gun for an arm and high intangibles).

It's all just speculation, anyway.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:28 PM   #130
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Didn't chip just state yesterday that he was going to hold an open QB competition between foles and Vick...?
NFL coaches and GM's lie all the time, especially if it will benefit them.

Heck, they were already talking on ESPN this morning that the curve ball behind all of this might be that the only reason the Eagles kept Vick was to trade HIM!
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Oh, I'm not anti-Foles.

I just don't see the logic in spending draft picks on the guy unless you're bringing him in to be THE starter.

And at that point, I have to be asking myself "WHY"?

I just can't think of a good reason to bring Foles here when we're sitting on the #1 overall pick.

Draft a backup in the 3rd this year.
Well, maybe they aren't drafting a QB #1 overall and he really likes the guy he drafted last year and already knows?

Even if they take a QB 1 and spend a 3 on a trade for Foles, a new guy instead would only be a year younger potentially.

Coaches are creatures of habit so they like to go with what they know and what got them there. Hence, taking all the same coaches with them and the same players.
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Well, maybe they aren't drafting a QB #1 overall and he really likes the guy he drafted last year and already knows?

Even if they take a QB 1 and spend a 3 on a trade for Foles, a new guy instead would only be a year younger potentially.

Coaches are creatures of habit so they like to go with what they know and what got them there. Hence, taking all the same coaches with them and the same players.
If we don't draft a QB at 1, I won't give a shit what the **** they do about the position.

My interest in the Chiefs will plummet to zero.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:52 PM   #133
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For my part at least, I have two scenarios in which Foles makes sense.

1)Reid loves the kid and thinks he's got 'it'. He doesn't feel like there's anyone in the draft that's any better and he's already got one year of tutelage with Foles, so it's a head start. You trade 1sts and get a 2nd/or give up a 3rd/whatever for the kid and don't look back. This is a Brett Favre to Green Bay scenario, not a Matt Cassel 2.0 scenario.

2)Reid likes the kid, thinks he's got potential but wants to stack the position, so he trades for him AND drafts the best QB available at the Chiefs highest pick. Depending on what you have to give up, that could be as high as #4 (a swap of firsts) or a 2nd. So it could still be Geno Smith/Wilson/Barkley/or Nassib/Dysert. If this happens, I think Reid's intention would be to have an open competition, best man wins. This is a less risky Seattle 2012 scenario.

And again, I still think drafting Geno and signing a crafty old vet is my preference. It IS possible, however, that Reid thinks a Nassib or the like is just as likely to work out for him as Geno/Wilson/Barkley (Ryan's numbers are good, he's got a gun for an arm and high intangibles).

It's all just speculation, anyway.
and any one of those three are win/win
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Well, maybe they aren't drafting a QB #1 overall and he really likes the guy he drafted last year and already knows?
In that case, you're not talking about Foles as a backup anymore. You're talking about Foles as the starter. No thanks.

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Even if they take a QB 1 and spend a 3 on a trade for Foles, a new guy instead would only be a year younger potentially.
Why spend a 3rd rounder on Foles when you could sign a free agent for nothing? Foles has ZERO value as a mentor to a young QB. He's essentially a rookie himself. Again, no thanks.

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Coaches are creatures of habit so they like to go with what they know and what got them there. Hence, taking all the same coaches with them and the same players.
Hence why they're all looking for jobs every 3 years.
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and any one of those three are win/win
Scenario #1 is NOT a win/win.

If Foles busts, you have no contingency plan.
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