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Old 11-21-2016, 08:42 AM  
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Pioli/Cassel vs Reid/Smith
Are we reliving history again????


Debate.... Go!

*Neither will admit fault in their QB, Neither will make changes to better the team, both would rather lose than be proven wrong...

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Old 11-21-2016, 12:15 PM   #16
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Let's see..

Pioli/Cassel=1 Playoff appearance, 0 wins
Reid/Smith=2 Playoff appearances, 1 win

Pioli/Casse/=1 winning season
Reid/smith=3 and soon to be 4 winning seasons

I don't think there is much comparison
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Reid and Smith deserve credit, they're a competent duo that competes in the NFL - which is far, far more than Pioli and Cassel could ever take credit for.

A more apt comparison is Carl/Marty. Bring me those regular season wins, boys!
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:21 PM   #17
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Same guys. This is 2010, again.


Close games over shit teams, one and done in the playoffs. Rinse, repeat.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:22 PM   #18
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Maybe the question should be:
How many sub 0.500 seasons are we willing to endure with a rookie/developing QB?

Follow up question:
Really? We won't be throwing fits in season 2?
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:24 PM   #19
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Just remember he has 11 seasons under his belt and he's still a below average QB. He's a low tier 3 QB.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:27 PM   #20
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Reid and Smith deserve credit, they're a competent duo that competes in the NFL - which is far, far more than Pioli and Cassel could ever take credit for.

A more apt comparison is Carl/Marty. Bring me those regular season wins, boys!
HaleyCassel=ReidSmith

Haley is the better coach/play caller, but Smith {was} more talented than Cassel.

If Haley had Dorsey, he'd be unstoppable. But Haley wouldn't settle for Alex Smith at QB.

Haley>Reid>Crennel
Dorsey>Pioli
Smith>Cassel

Anyone want to know what the difference between the Chiefs was between Crennell, I would say about 6-8 wins a season.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:29 PM   #21
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Maybe the question should be:
How many sub 0.500 seasons are we willing to endure with a rookie/developing QB?

Follow up question:
Really? We won't be throwing fits in season 2?
Why are some of us okay with shitty play from a vet in season 11...but not okay with a youngster in season 2?

Yesterday's loss is far more acceptable from a QB with less than 20 starts under his belt. Not Alex "Game Manager" Smith.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:37 PM   #22
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Saying Andy won't make a change right now isn't the same as Pioli and Cassel. We won a playoff game last year, so the expectation was that we do more this season.

We've already heard a rumor that Alex will have to have a strong 2nd half to remain here. It's also no surprise that we put an option for Foles next year.

If Alex keeps playing this way I think Foles will be the QB next season.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:47 PM   #23
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Saying Andy won't make a change right now isn't the same as Pioli and Cassel. We won a playoff game last year, so the expectation was that we do more this season.

We've already heard a rumor that Alex will have to have a strong 2nd half to remain here. It's also no surprise that we put an option for Foles next year.

If Alex keeps playing this way I think Foles will be the QB next season.
Alex will have to take Superman pills and revert to 2011-2014 form in order to even be good enough...and even that is just barely. No reason to hope...the future is now in the NFL. Foles isn't the answer. Gonna be...interesting.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:51 PM   #24
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Saying Andy won't make a change right now isn't the same as Pioli and Cassel. We won a playoff game last year, so the expectation was that we do more this season.

We've already heard a rumor that Alex will have to have a strong 2nd half to remain here. It's also no surprise that we put an option for Foles next year.

If Alex keeps playing this way I think Foles will be the QB next season.
I've said the same thing before. People forget that Andy drafted him and tried to trade for him but Chip said no deal. I think Dorsey has already made up his mind. The only way Alex stays is if he plays a ton better and we win the division or make the AFC Champ game.

The option on Foles was put there to give him a shot for a year if Smith failed and at the same time it allows his HC to have his draft pick as a QB. It's a win win in their eyes.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:52 PM   #25
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Let's see..

Pioli/Cassel=1 Playoff appearance, 0 wins
Reid/Smith=2 Playoff appearances, 1 win

Pioli/Casse/=1 winning season
Reid/smith=3 and soon to be 4 winning seasons

I don't think there is much comparison

yes its certainly on a much higher level.
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I've said the same thing before. People forget that Andy drafted him and tried to trade for him but Chip said no deal. I think Dorsey has already made up his mind. The only way Alex stays is if he plays a ton better and we win the division or make the AFC Champ game.

The option on Foles was put there to give him a shot for a year if Smith failed and at the same time it allows his HC to have his draft pick as a QB. It's a win win in their eyes.
Anyone remember the circumstances when Reid sent McNabb to a division rival? If it was due to lack of production I believe Reid will move on from Smith if we miss the AFCCG this season.
Foles has not looked good in limited action, maybe he will with a full offseason as the likely starter.
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When Cassel started to regress, some of us on here saw it and called him out. He was good enough to put up some noticeable stats for a few games stretch, but he was never going to be good enough to get us close to a championship.

A ton of other homers around here kept drinking the Cassel kool-aid with excuses like "we need a HOF oline, we need a great defense, we need more receivers".


Alex Smith is in a regression. The NFL has him figured out. Some of us on CP have figured him out. He is not getting any younger or better. His confidence is shot and you can see the offense has no desire to compete at a high level.
Nothing you can do is going to make him better.

So... Does Alex Smith make as many Mistakes as Cassel on the field? No.
But is this scenario the same? Yes.

Either QB is not good enough to do any more than win a few games and keep the season ticket holders buying tickets.


The Chiefs are once again stuck in mediocrity.

Meanwhile, the Cowboys are letting a rookie QB tear it up and letting their golden boy sit the bench. I wish our franchise had those balls.
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I posted in another thread last night that I was having knee sugery today. I survived! I'm back for the shitshow!

No one thinks that Smith/Reid is on the same level as Cassel/Pioli/Haley. However, most people believe that Smith/Reid has peaked. Look, I loved the Marty years, but I'm turning 41 next month. I really don't have time for this shit. I guess I should just be content with the 2014-2015 Royals.
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Anyone remember the circumstances when Reid sent McNabb to a division rival? If it was due to lack of production I believe Reid will move on from Smith if we miss the AFCCG this season.
Foles has not looked good in limited action, maybe he will with a full offseason as the likely starter.
If he had mini camp and training camp as the starter I find it hard to believe he would be worse. There is no way we would not score more points but he would throw a few more int's but our threat to get TD's would help our ground game a ton.

He would have beat Houston and probably won yesterday as well.
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