Chiefs Hemingway so far - Page 4

**AustinChief** · 03:38 PM

So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year?

I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs.

The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field.

So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more(as a receiving threat and not just a blocker)? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now.

**AustinChief** · 10-02-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

How can you say he hasn't had the chance? He's been out there, he's seen his snaps. With this shitty wr corps, he doesn't exactly have guys in front of him holding him back.

Ever consider that McCluster got his snaps because the coaches felt he deserved them? Or that maybe he EARNED his catches by getting open?

The idea that coaches purposely hold players back on purpose is horrible.

Some people just can't come to grips that McCluster wasn't as bad of a player as you want him to be.

I was never a McCluster hater, so watch who you accuse. I am saying that you are completely discounting his value as a blocker on offense. Especially THIS type of offense. Obviously the coaches value it since he sees a ton of snaps.

ModSocks · 10-02-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

He is actually getting plenty of snaps. He is 3rd on the team in offensive snaps among receivers.

Doesn't that kinda go against your theory that he's not getting his chances?

I guess that's the end of this thread then.

He's a 7th round pick. A good player for a 7th round pick, but he's just another Terrance Copper and nothing more.

O.city · 10-02-2014, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

How can you say he hasn't had the chance? He's been out there, he's seen his snaps. With this shitty wr corps, he doesn't exactly have guys in front of him holding him back.

Ever consider that McCluster got his snaps because the coaches felt he deserved them? Or that maybe he EARNED his catches by getting open?

The idea that coaches purposely hold players back on purpose is horrible.

Some people just can't come to grips that McCluster wasn't as bad of a player as you want him to be.

Where did I say anything about this coaching staff doing that?

As soon as his contract was up, he was gone. That says alot

O.city · 10-02-2014, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Doesn't that kinda go against your theory that he's not getting his chances?

I guess that's the end of this thread then.

He's a 7th round pick. A good player for a 7th round pick, but he's just another Terrance Copper and nothing more.

And we haven't noticed any drop off since Dex left. We're actually better on 3rd downs

Frosty · 10-02-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Where do i get the idea that he's not quick enough? Well he certainly wasn't a blazer coming out of college. His game is his size.

Hemingway isn't a blazer but coming out of college, he ran a faster 40 time than McCluster. Faster 20 yard shuttle, too.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...way?id=2532862

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...ster?id=497190

ModSocks · 10-02-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I was never a McCluster hater, so watch who you accuse. I am saying that you are completely discounting his value as a blocker on offense. Especially THIS type of offense. Obviously the coaches value it since he sees a ton of snaps.

Im not discounting his value as a blocker. Clearly the coaches like him as a blocker. Im sure we can find a lot of receivers who can block. It's not exactly a trait that makes a receiver good.

The question is why isn't he getting more targets?

Maybe he's just not getting open?

Oh McCluster managed to get open? No no no, that's just the Chiefs forcing him the ball.

It's biased nonsense.

**The Franchise** · 10-02-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Better in the slot than Dex was

Bowe needs to run out of the slot.

ModSocks · 10-02-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Where did I say anything about this coaching staff doing that?

As soon as his contract was up, he was gone. That says alot

All it says is that his production wasn't worth his demands to this team. That's it.

ModSocks · 10-02-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And we haven't noticed any drop off since Dex left. We're actually better on 3rd downs

What does that have to do with Hemingway?

Hemingway is responsible for that?

**AustinChief** · 10-02-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Doesn't that kinda go against your theory that he's not getting his chances?

I guess that's the end of this thread then.

He's a 7th round pick. A good player for a 7th round pick, but he's just another Terrance Copper and nothing more.

Man, you are going a bit reerun here. Your concept of what a WR does seems to be pretty limited to Fantasy Football type of thinking.

I'll explain it. (with bullet points!)

He sees plenty of offensive snaps.
He RARELY is put in where he would even be a possible target.
He is often used as a downfield blocker on runs/screens/swing passes.
The few times he is in on a play where he could be a target he has consistently gotten open and out of the 5 times he was thrown a catchable pass he has caught the ball 4. On the 1 drop he was wide open.

ModSocks · 10-02-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Where did I say anything about this coaching staff doing that?

As soon as his contract was up, he was gone. That says alot

You claimed that McCluster was being force fed. Isn't that a coaches decision? Or do you just think Smith likes McCluster's hair more than Hemingway's?

**AustinChief** · 10-02-2014, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Im not discounting his value as a blocker. Clearly the coaches like him as a blocker. Im sure we can find a lot of receivers who can block. It's not exactly a trait that makes a receiver good.

The question is why isn't he getting more targets?

Maybe he's just not getting open?

No, he gets open, he simply isn't in on the kind of downs/plays/sets where he is going to be a target.

The coaches thinking seems to be..."Want to run a bubble screen? Swing Pass? Put Hemingway out on that side!" And that is it.

I am not saying Hemingway is all pro or any such nonsense, I am just wondering where the disconnect is. It is NOT because he fails to get open. He is rarely ASKED to get open.

**RealSNR** · 10-02-2014, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

I see a mod change to Susan Nancy Rita in the future.

No. If Jenkins pulls off the impossible this week, I will change my name to Susan.

That's it. No bloody Nancy OR Rita.

ModSocks · 10-02-2014, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Man, you are going a bit reerun here. Your concept of what a WR does seems to be pretty limited to Fantasy Football type of thinking.

I'll explain it. (with bullet points!)

He sees plenty of offensive snaps.
He RARELY is put in where he would even be a possible target.
He is often used as a downfield blocker on runs/screens/swing passes.
The few times he is in on a play where he could be a target he has consistently gotten open and out of the 5 times he was thrown a catchable pass he has caught the ball 4. On the 1 drop he was wide open.

The only one going reerun here is you.

A WR's PRIMARY job on a passing play is to get open and catch the ball. Does anyone care about AJ green or Calvin Johnson's blocking? How good of a blocker is Avery? Yet he's still starting over Hemingway. Why is that? You think DeSean Jackson is a good blocker?

How can you claim to know whether or not he's rarely put in a position to be a possible target? Considering the amount of snaps he receives that's HIGHLY suspect. First off, you have no clue who the primary reads are on a given play. Secondly, you're assuming that he's put out there JUST to block for the majority of his snaps.

How exactly are you determining which plays he's an available target on and which he's not. And on those plays, how are you determining how open he is or isn't?

ModSocks · 10-02-2014, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

No, he gets open, he simply isn't in on the kind of downs/plays/sets where he is going to be a target.

Have you considered that he's not asked to get open (assuming that's true of course, which is sketchy at best) because Hammond and Jenkins and Avery and Kelce and Bowe and Charles and blah blah blah simply do it better?

10-02-2014, 12:32 PM
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2509112	Hemingway so far So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year? I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs. The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field. So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more(as a receiving threat and not just a blocker)? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now. Last edited by AustinChief; 10-03-2014 at 03:38 PM..
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