Chiefs Hemingway so far - Page 3

**AustinChief** · 03:38 PM

So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year?

I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs.

The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field.

So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more(as a receiving threat and not just a blocker)? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now.

O.city · 10-02-2014, 01:50 PM

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The same was said about Devon Hester now he's turning and burning in ratlanta

And MCcluster is on pace for 400 total yards in Tennessee.

**RealSNR** · 10-02-2014, 01:51 PM

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When I think about Hemingway, the thing that excites me the most is the thought of replacing him next year.

Along with several others.

Like O.City said, if it's not Junior Hemingway, there will be another JAG waiting in line to do the same JAG shit that Junior Hemingway is doing now.

We might upgrade Bowe. We might upgrade Avery. We might upgrade Jenkins. But I highly doubt that Dorsey and Reid are going to bolster our WR depth so much to the point of getting a better WR4 than Hemingway.

And if they do, it will be after many years of drafting WRs.

ToxSocks · 10-02-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

How much of what dexter did on special teams was him making people miss, or Dave Toub?

Hemingway caught a pass against the Dolphins, made 2 people miss and got a first down. He's already more elusive than Dexter ever was.

Yeah, he carved out a little niche as a 3rd down slot possession wr, finding holes in zones.

That's silly. Just plain silly. One play doesn't make someone more elusive than another. Im sure i can find plays of Dexter making guys miss. The idea that Dexter is a statue is a CP myth perpetuated by the fact that CP loves to bash midgets so much. People need to get over the Dexter/Pioli hate and come to the realization that he wasn't a bad pick when compared to his peers drafted in that same round. He's actually a top 5-8 pick in relation to those taken in that same round.

Also, Dexter was returning Kick off's for TDs long before Toub arrived. Toub most certainly helped, but he proved that he was a good return man prior to Toub's arrival.

Yes, he carved out a niche role. Something Hemingway has yet to do.

There isn't an argument to be had here. McCluster has been far more productive thus far in his career. There simply isn't an angle you can take to prove otherwise.

Dunerdr · 10-02-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And MCcluster is on pace for 400 total yards in Tennessee.

He's not even returning punts is he? That's the argument in making. Special teams dex>special teams Hemingway

**AustinChief** · 10-02-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

The argument is that he's better than McCluster and there is nothing to support that other than bias.

No doubt in my mind he is better than Dex. The few times he has been on the field this year his blocking has absolutely been fantastic. I have seen multiple plays where if Dex had been in the same position we wouldn't have picked up the extra 3-5 yards we did.

It's not sexy but it is effective.

My problem is, he is rarely put in a position that ISN'T blocking.

Also, where the hell do you get the idea that isn't quick enough to get open? He gets open the majority of the times he is asked to, the rest of the time he is blocking for a run/screen/swing pass. Check his 3 cone time.

The only legitimate argument I have heard knocking him comes from Htis... the coaches aren't using him because he is limited in his knowledge of the offense. I'm just not sure I buy that but I have no proof against it.

O.city · 10-02-2014, 01:52 PM

Best way to upgrade the back of your roster (guys like Hemingway) is to upgrade the front and push good players down, in my opinion.

However, you need guys like jr to do the things he does.

**AustinChief** · 10-02-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yes, he carved out a niche role. Something Hemingway has yet to do.

I'm guessing in your world WR blocking has zero value.

Discuss Thrower · 10-02-2014, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Who's giving a shit about him?

Everybody seems to be saying, "He's good on special teams, blocking, not bad for a 7th round pick, etc."

Because, on paper, he was as fast as McCluster at the Combine whilst being a bit bigger. It stood to reason that you could use them in the same manner as a split-out receiver on slants and the like, or that he'd have an easier time pulling in the throw Smith made to McCluster against Cleveland.

But that's clearly not been the case given the dearth of receiving options on the team which have made it to the field over him.. Namely Hammond.

**J Diddy** · 10-02-2014, 01:56 PM

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Jenkins may one day rack up 100 yards receiving in a game.

There's a less than 1% chance that next week against the 49ers is the game in which that happens.

I see a mod change to Susan Nancy Rita in the future.

O.city · 10-02-2014, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

That's silly. Just plain silly. One play doesn't make someone more elusive than another. Im sure i can find plays of Dexter making guys miss. The idea that Dexter is a statue is a CP myth perpetuated by the fact that CP loves to bash midgets so much. People need to get over the Dexter/Pioli hate and come to the realization that he wasn't a bad pick when compared to his peers drafted in that same round. He's actually a top 5-8 pick in relation to those taken in that same round.

Also, Dexter was returning Kick off's for TDs long before Toub arrived. Toub most certainly helped, but he proved that he was a good return man prior to Toub's arrival.

Yes, he carved out a niche role. Something Hemingway has yet to do.

There isn't an argument to be had here. McCluster has been far more productive thus far in his career. There simply isn't an angle you can take to prove otherwise.

He's such a good return man/player that they're basically done with him in Tennessee already and never even asked him to return punts?

Of course dexter has been more productive, he was force fed balls for 3 plus years trying to prop up a pick. In terms of productivity, Hemingway hasn't had a chance to be as productive

ToxSocks · 10-02-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

No doubt in my mind he is better than Dex. The few times he has been on the field this year his blocking has absolutely been fantastic. I have seen multiple plays where if Dex had been in the same position we wouldn't have picked up the extra 3-5 yards we did.

It's not sexy but it is effective.

My problem is, he is rarely put in a position that ISN'T blocking.

Also, where the hell do you get the idea that isn't quick enough to get open? He gets open the majority of the times he is asked to, the rest of the time he is blocking for a run/screen/swing pass. Check his 3 cone time.

The only legitimate argument I have since knocking him comes from Htis... the coaches aren't using him because he is limited in his knowledge of the offense. I'm just not sure I buy that but I have no proof against it.

"The majority of the time he's asked to"? That's an awfully strong statement, are you sure about that? I have a feeling you have no way of actually knowing that. If that were true, then he'd be our top WR, don't you think?

Where do i get the idea that he's not quick enough? Well he certainly wasn't a blazer coming out of college. His game is his size.

Hemingway is a better blocker because of his size, no question. He's also much better at kick coverage.

Outside of those two things, he hasn't done a damn thing to prove he's better than McCluster.

O.city · 10-02-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Because, on paper, he was as fast as McCluster at the Combine whilst being a bit bigger. It stood to reason that you could use them in the same manner as a split-out receiver on slants and the like, or that he'd have an easier time pulling in the throw Smith made to McCluster against Cleveland.

But that's clearly not been the case given the dearth of receiving options on the team which have made it to the field over him.. Namely Hammond.

I have no clue, but what are his snap counts compared to te other wrs?

ToxSocks · 10-02-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He's such a good return man/player that they're basically done with him in Tennessee already and never even asked him to return punts?

Of course dexter has been more productive, he was force fed balls for 3 plus years trying to prop up a pick. In terms of productivity, Hemingway hasn't had a chance to be as productive

How can you say he hasn't had the chance? He's been out there, he's seen his snaps. With this shitty wr corps, he doesn't exactly have guys in front of him holding him back.

Ever consider that McCluster got his snaps because the coaches felt he deserved them? Or that maybe he EARNED his catches by getting open?

The idea that coaches purposely hold players back on purpose is horrible.

Some people just can't come to grips that McCluster wasn't as bad of a player as you want him to be.

**AustinChief** · 10-02-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

But that's clearly not been the case given the dearth of receiving options on the team which have made it to the field over him.. Namely Hammond.

It's hard to compare him to Hammond, different types of guys. Unfortunately for Hemingway, he has two possible spots in this offense and one of them is taken up by Bowe.

The point of this thread is to answer WHY he isn't seeing more reps as a receiving threat when he clearly has good hands.

He is actually getting plenty of snaps. He is 3rd on the team in offensive snaps among receivers.

O.city · 10-02-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

"The majority of the time he's asked to"? That's an awfully strong statement, are you sure about that? I have a feeling you have no way of actually knowing that. If that were true, then he'd be our top WR, don't you think?

Where do i get the idea that he's not quick enough? Well he certainly wasn't a blazer coming out of college. His game is his size.

Hemingway is a better blocker because of his size, no question. He's also much better at kick coverage.

Outside of those two things, he hasn't done a damn thing to prove he's better than McCluster.

He timed better in damn near every drill than dexter did, iirc

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AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2349112	Hemingway so far So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year? I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs. The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field. So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more(as a receiving threat and not just a blocker)? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now. Last edited by AustinChief; 10-03-2014 at 03:38 PM..
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