Broncos forced non renewals to season ticket holders.

[Chief Roundup]

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/03...ckets-weeding/

The Denver Broncos booted season-ticket holders who didn’t go to a single game last season and that led to upgraded seats for 144 accounts and about 400 seats through Monday, compared to only 14 accounts and 39 seats the previous season, the club said.

When all upgrades are made, the forced non-renewals also will allow the Broncos to make season tickets available to some fans on the 75,000-person waiting list for the first time in six years and increase its very limited single-game ticket allotment. Last season, 97 percent of the seating capacity at Mile High Stadium came from season-ticket holders, leaving just 3 percent for single games.

The Broncos said their legal “weeding out” — based on technology in the electronic ticket resale market — is putting “more tickets in the hands of Denver Broncos fans,” team spokesman Patrick Smyth said Tuesday.

But it has outraged some long-time season-ticket holders who question how the Broncos can prove what tickets were sold and why they weren’t warned of the policy.
Broncos Season Ticket Holder Upset About Losing Seats
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Aurora’s Mike Fletcher, 69, had season tickets since 1977 but was told his 2016 no-show would end his annual agreement with the team. The season-ticket policy states that every account is a revocable license issued annually.
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Fletcher appealed to the Broncos, saying a collapsed lung and lung-reduction surgery in 2016 forced him to sell his tickets last season. The team denied his appeal, and according to the Broncos’ ticket office, Fletcher’s tickets from 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 all were sold on the secondary market and used.

“I have tickets showing that I went to games, or I’d let my kids go and buy a handicap seat for myself,” Fletcher said of attending games from 2013-15.

“It’s been difficult for me to hold those tickets at times,” Fletcher said. “At times I couldn’t give those tickets away. A season-ticket holder has to give them their money in February of each year. If they’re checking anyone’s tickets, they ought to let people know that and put it in their policy.”

He added: “I guarantee you they didn’t take some of these sky-box owners’ tickets back if they didn’t go to at least one game. But how do they know that? How do we know that?”

Eric Siegler, who lives in Chicago, said he sold his seats last season to help support his cancer-stricken mother-in-law in Minnesota, who has since died. After being notified of his non-renewal, Siegler wrote an appeal letter to the Broncos, and also had his father, sister, aunt, cousin and three friends write the team. Each email was obtained by The Denver Post.


Denver just keeps on being the shit bag franchise that they have always been.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

How many games is a year is the limit?

What if, living in California, bought season tickets to the Chiefs knowing full well that I was only going to make 3 games a year? Is it ok for me to own them?

Sounds to me like they're going after people who aren't going to any games at all and are selling them on the secondary market (most likely at a profit) instead.

That's what also makes the skybox argument bullshit. Sure, the owner may not be going to games, but he's likely not selling off the seats to the highest bidder either.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Sounds to me like they're going after people who aren't going to any games at all and are selling them on the secondary market (most likely at a profit) instead.

That's what also makes the skybox argument bullshit. Sure, the owner may not be going to games, but he's likely not selling off the seats to the highest bidder either.

Yep. Well, that and " don't you worry about what I do with the goddamn skybox it's none of your concern".

[Spott]

I don't really have a problem with fans buying seats and then making a profit on them. Teams raise their prices every year, although the product never changes. If you buy the tickets, you should be able to do whatever you want with them.

[Mile High Mania]

The only way the teams know it's not you attending the games is (a) they find the seats repeatedly being sold online, (b) the people in your seats at those games create issues and security steps in or (c) the surrounding season ticket holders grow tired of the parade of random a-holes that keep showing up in what they know are season ticket holder seats.

If you live in Cali, own tix, make it to a few games and let friends/family use them the other times, I doubt anyone cares. It's repeatedly reselling them online that gets you.

I know someone that does this with the Saints... he's owned tickets for years, makes it to 2-3 games. Sells the rest online and makes enough to pay for his renewal the next season and plane/hotel for the 2-3 games he goes to.

A buddy of mine wants to buy 4 tickets for the Raiders in Vegas - knowing full well, he would only go to the 1 game a year and sell the rest. Sounds like a great investment - Vegas is one of the few cities when fans of every team are there every week.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

How many games is a year is the limit?

What if, living in California, bought season tickets to the Chiefs knowing full well that I was only going to make 3 games a year? Is it ok for me to own them?

Sure, but it's also ok for the team to say "welp, not good enough" and cancel your season tickets and reassign them to someone else.

I do, definitely and absolutely, think that the team should have a clear policy regarding this. How many games do you have to attend to keep the tickets.

The bottom line is this -- the tickets are a commodity that the team sells. Unless there are PSLs in place, you don't have some kind of god-given right to get the tickets to those seats forever just as long as you are willing to pay. The team has the right to PREFER that it's OWN fans sit in those seats, not people who are just buying the season tickets to make a buck.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Sure, but it's also ok for the team to say "welp, not good enough" and cancel your season tickets and reassign them to someone else.

I do, definitely and absolutely, think that the team should have a clear policy regarding this. How many games do you have to attend to keep the tickets.

The bottom line is this -- the tickets are a commodity that the team sells. Unless there are PSLs in place, you don't have some kind of god-given right to get the tickets to those seats forever just as long as you are willing to pay. The team has the right to PREFER that it's OWN fans sit in those seats, not people who are just buying the season tickets to make a buck.

That's my only problem with what the Broncos did. It doesn't say anywhere that they had this written anywhere. Include that and I'm all for yanking the tickets from people who only buy the tickets to sell them and make money.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Spott

I don't really have a problem with fans buying seats and then making a profit on them. Teams raise their prices every year, although the product never changes. If you buy the tickets, you should be able to do whatever you want with them.

Problem: Fans have been on the waiting list for 10+ years and are still nowhere near the point where they could buy season tickets.

Option A: Team does nothing.

Option B: Team raises its prices rapidly so that many fans are priced out and are forced to give up their seats. (This option makes the team a ton of extra money.)

Option C: Team kicks people out who are just scalping their tickets and aren't attending games at all. (This option makes the team no extra money.)


Which option do you think is best for the team? Which is best for core fans?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

That's my only problem with what the Broncos did. It doesn't say anywhere that they had this written anywhere. Include that and I'm all for yanking the tickets from people who only buy the tickets to sell them and make money.

Yeah, I agree with that. It seems like they should have given people a warning first.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Yeah, I agree with that. It seems like they should have given people a warning first.

That's the only thing I would have added, option C after they introduced this policy into the terms and conditions.

Next year... the list would shrink.

[SBInfinity]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

How many games is a year is the limit?

What if, living in California, bought season tickets to the Chiefs knowing full well that I was only going to make 3 games a year? Is it ok for me to own them?

is the issue fans only attending 3 games or is it 'fans' attending zero?

[Mile High Mania]

The season ticket account policy begins with the phrase, “A season ticket account is a revocable license issued annually by PDB Sports Ltd. as licensor.”

It's a tough lesson to learn the hard way.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by SBInfinity

is the issue fans only attending 3 games or is it 'fans' attending zero?

Fans that attended 0 games and sold via 3rd party sites were booted.

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't see any issue with Denver's policy but there's no way that works in Las Vegas.

[SBInfinity]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Fans that attended 0 games and sold via 3rd party sites were booted.

yes
if you're not attending ANY games you shoulnt be pissed they took your tickets away

[Rain Man]

It seems like a good policy, though I'm obligated to ridicule it because it's the Broncos.