2016 NFL Hall of Fame Class

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

coryell at least did something to change the game, all dungy did was let manning be manning

The Tampa 2!

[srvy]

Greene should have been a 1st ballot IMO he was a versatile linebacker who could play equally well in 3-4 or 4-3 good against the run or pass and incredible pass rusher who could come from the edge or blitz up the middle. Haley had him in SB appearances but was nowhere near the LB Greene was. Haley Transitioned to DE because basically he was a edge rusher. Both deserving but Greene was phenomenal. I also believe he held most sacks by a linebacker for a while more than either LT and DT.

[Over Yonder]

Originally Posted by srvy

Greene should have been a 1st ballot IMO he was a versatile linebacker who could play equally well in 3-4 or 4-3 good against the run or pass and incredible pass rusher who could come from the edge or blitz up the middle. Haley had him in SB appearances but was nowhere near the LB Greene was. Haley Transitioned to DE because basically he was a edge rusher. Both deserving but Greene was phenomenal. I also believe he held most sacks by a linebacker for a while more than either LT and DT.

I have no/small opinion on Dungee, so I will let that ride. But I do need to chime in on Greene. To put it simply, he was the shit! I also dont know how he missed 1st ballot. (and to an earlier post, I will also always consider him a Ram)

Also, I hate the Raiders with everything I have in me, but, I cannot deny Stabler. He was a bit before my time, but hearing my uncles talk, he was a constant threat that got the job done.

[-King-]

And TO didn't make it. What a joke.
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[Bowser]

Originally Posted by -King-

And TO didn't make it. What a joke.
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T.O. is going to have an uphill climb to get in there, initially. His antics are going to turn off a bunch of voters. That's crap of course, because the guy was a monster on the field.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Bowser

T.O. is going to have an uphill climb to get in there, initially. His antics are going to turn off a bunch of voters. That's crap of course, because the guy was a monster on the field.

He absolutely should be in the Hall.

Buts its all political and when you don't 'play the game', then yes it's an uphill battle

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by milkman

Tony Dungy might well be the least deserving person ever voted into the Hall.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I have absolutely no idea what Hall of Fame qualifications are in Tony Dungy's resume.

One Super Bowl appearance with Peyton Manning?

Zero Super Bowl appearances with arguably the best defense of all time?

Don't even get me started on the personal stuff, in which I think he's a ****ing asshat.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Tampa 2!

Thing about it is that when he won the super bowl the defense was pretty mediocre. Just good enough. And for a defensive guy his whole time in Indy was really really bad. Really bad.

The simple fact is that he's in because the first black coach to win the super bowl. That's all.

[stevieray]

Stabler and Greene were way overdue.

[ClevelandBronco]

Love seeing Stabler in there. It's just a damned shame he didn't get to celebrate it.

[Rain Man]

I'm looking up Tony Dungy to try to find any justification for him being selected.

He was a head coach for 13 season, which is tied for 34th all time. There are three other 13-year head coaches: Dennis Green (.546 winning percentage), Marvin Lewis (.543 winning percentage), and Norm Van Brocklin (.398 winning percentage). So on sheer longevity, not much justification.

He had a .668 winning percentage, which ranks 12th all time. He coached 208 games. The coaches right above him are Don Shula (.677, 490 games), Paul Brown (.672, 326 games), and the coaches right below him are Bill Belichick (.664, 336 games) and Jim Lee Howell (.663, 84 games). That's some pretty good company, even if he coached a lot of fewer games.

Let's look at postseason records. His postseason record is 9-10, which ranks 57th out of 92 coaches with postseason records. The coaches nearest to him are Jim Lee Howell (2-2), John Rauch (2-2), Chuck Pagano (3-3), Jeff Fisher (5-6), and Bud Grant (10-12). Grant is in the Hall of Fame as a coach with a regular season record of .621 in 259 games. This is not particularly impressive as a peer group.

I recognize that we're counting the entire record, but what's notable about Dungy is his record with two different teams. He coached Tampa for six years and had a record of .563 in 96 games, with a 2-4 record on the playoffs. Then in 2002 he went to Indianapolis, where he had a .759 record in 112 games, with a 7-6 playoff record.

.759 is really good. It would be 2nd place all time as a regular season record, following only Guy Chamberlain's .784 record with three teams in the 1920s. John Madden's cheating teams gave him a .759 and next up are Vince Lombardi (.738) and George Allen (.712).

He's one of 56 NFL coaches to have a championship, with 1. Of those 56, 25 had two or more championships.

Based on my subjective opinion, the coaches that he's probably closest to in overall performance would be:

Reference:
Tony Dungy (208 games, .668 record, 19 postseason games, .474 record, 1 championship)

Peers:
Marv Levy (259 games, .621 record, 19 postseason games, .579 record, 0 championships) - In the Hall of Fame
Bill Cowher (240 games, .623 record, 21 postseason games, .571 record, 1 slightly tainted championship) - NOT in the Hall of Fame
Mike McCarthy (160 games, .653 record, 15 postseason games, .533 record, 1 championship) - Still active
George Seifert (176 games, .648 record, 15 postseason games, .667 record, 2 championships) - NOT in the Hall of Fame

In looking at this record, I'll objectively note that his record appears to place him in the running of actual contenders. That surprised me a little bit, but he's legit in that regard.

However, it's clear that he's in the Hall of Fame because he showed up in Indianapolis right when Peyton Manning hit the prime of his career. He was the coach in Manning's 5th through 11th year of the league, and surprise! Indianapolis won a lot.

There's really no other justification for Dungy other than his regular season record when Manning was the quarterback.

He was an above-average but not spectacular coach in Tampa with a bad playoff record there.
Overall, he has a losing playoff record.
He has only one championship (acquired during Manning's prime).
He didn't even draft or develop Manning. Manning was mature when he arrived.

Terrible, terrible choice for the Hall of Fame.

[GloucesterChief]

Didn't Tampa win a Super Bowl the year after he left as well?

The AFC south was not a good division during that time period either. With the expansion Texans and floundering Titans and Jags.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Didn't Tampa win a Super Bowl the year after he left as well?

The AFC south was not a good division during that time period either. With the expansion Texans and floundering Titans and Jags.

Good points. I wonder if Dungy got some indirect credit for Tampa Bay's win. In fairness, that would've been mostly his team.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Good points. I wonder if Dungy got some indirect credit for Tampa Bay's win. In fairness, that would've been mostly his team.

Or you could say that Dungy was the one preventing them from winning multiple SBs.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Or you could say that Dungy was the one preventing them from winning multiple SBs.

[ClevelandBronco]

Forgive me for suggesting what I'm suggesting, but I'm going to go ahead and suggest it anyway by asking this question: Are there any other African American head coaches in the NFL HOF?