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Old 02-06-2016, 09:53 PM   #16
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:58 PM   #17
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Love seeing Stabler in there. It's just a damned shame he didn't get to celebrate it.
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:59 PM   #18
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Coryell would be closer to deserving of the nod, but he doesn't belong either.
coryell at least did something to change the game, all dungy did was let manning be manning
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coryell at least did something to change the game, all dungy did was let manning be manning
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Old 02-06-2016, 10:21 PM   #20
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I'm looking up Tony Dungy to try to find any justification for him being selected.

He was a head coach for 13 season, which is tied for 34th all time. There are three other 13-year head coaches: Dennis Green (.546 winning percentage), Marvin Lewis (.543 winning percentage), and Norm Van Brocklin (.398 winning percentage). So on sheer longevity, not much justification.

He had a .668 winning percentage, which ranks 12th all time. He coached 208 games. The coaches right above him are Don Shula (.677, 490 games), Paul Brown (.672, 326 games), and the coaches right below him are Bill Belichick (.664, 336 games) and Jim Lee Howell (.663, 84 games). That's some pretty good company, even if he coached a lot of fewer games.

Let's look at postseason records. His postseason record is 9-10, which ranks 57th out of 92 coaches with postseason records. The coaches nearest to him are Jim Lee Howell (2-2), John Rauch (2-2), Chuck Pagano (3-3), Jeff Fisher (5-6), and Bud Grant (10-12). Grant is in the Hall of Fame as a coach with a regular season record of .621 in 259 games. This is not particularly impressive as a peer group.

I recognize that we're counting the entire record, but what's notable about Dungy is his record with two different teams. He coached Tampa for six years and had a record of .563 in 96 games, with a 2-4 record on the playoffs. Then in 2002 he went to Indianapolis, where he had a .759 record in 112 games, with a 7-6 playoff record.

.759 is really good. It would be 2nd place all time as a regular season record, following only Guy Chamberlain's .784 record with three teams in the 1920s. John Madden's cheating teams gave him a .759 and next up are Vince Lombardi (.738) and George Allen (.712).

He's one of 56 NFL coaches to have a championship, with 1. Of those 56, 25 had two or more championships.

Based on my subjective opinion, the coaches that he's probably closest to in overall performance would be:

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Tony Dungy (208 games, .668 record, 19 postseason games, .474 record, 1 championship)

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Marv Levy (259 games, .621 record, 19 postseason games, .579 record, 0 championships) - In the Hall of Fame
Bill Cowher (240 games, .623 record, 21 postseason games, .571 record, 1 slightly tainted championship) - NOT in the Hall of Fame
Mike McCarthy (160 games, .653 record, 15 postseason games, .533 record, 1 championship) - Still active
George Seifert (176 games, .648 record, 15 postseason games, .667 record, 2 championships) - NOT in the Hall of Fame

In looking at this record, I'll objectively note that his record appears to place him in the running of actual contenders. That surprised me a little bit, but he's legit in that regard.

However, it's clear that he's in the Hall of Fame because he showed up in Indianapolis right when Peyton Manning hit the prime of his career. He was the coach in Manning's 5th through 11th year of the league, and surprise! Indianapolis won a lot.

There's really no other justification for Dungy other than his regular season record when Manning was the quarterback.

He was an above-average but not spectacular coach in Tampa with a bad playoff record there.
Overall, he has a losing playoff record.
He has only one championship (acquired during Manning's prime).
He didn't even draft or develop Manning. Manning was mature when he arrived.

Terrible, terrible choice for the Hall of Fame.
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Old 02-06-2016, 10:25 PM   #21
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Didn't Tampa win a Super Bowl the year after he left as well?

The AFC south was not a good division during that time period either. With the expansion Texans and floundering Titans and Jags.
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Forgive me for suggesting what I'm suggesting, but I'm going to go ahead and suggest it anyway by asking this question: Are there any other African American head coaches in the NFL HOF?
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Forgive me for suggesting what I'm suggesting, but I'm going to go ahead and suggest it anyway by asking this question: Are there any other African American head coaches in the NFL HOF?
If anyone asks, let's both deny that we had this conversation, but they introduced him as "the first African American coach to win a Super Bowl" and I thought, "Bingo. We've identified the reason."

Aside from that, he seems to enjoy wide respect. I'll concede that maybe he did some things in the locker room that we'll never see that earned him a lot of credibility inside the industry.

But in terms of measurable results? He rode Peyton Manning like Timmy rode Lassie.
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Didn't Tampa win a Super Bowl the year after he left as well?

The AFC south was not a good division during that time period either. With the expansion Texans and floundering Titans and Jags.

Good points. I wonder if Dungy got some indirect credit for Tampa Bay's win. In fairness, that would've been mostly his team.
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Good points. I wonder if Dungy got some indirect credit for Tampa Bay's win. In fairness, that would've been mostly his team.
Or you could say that Dungy was the one preventing them from winning multiple SBs.
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Honestly, this is a pretty terrible class.

Brett Favre - Obviously a good pick. The consecutive starts record is absolutely amazing, and he was a great player for a long time. He clearly fits the criteria.

Kevin Greene - Long overdue. A good pick who fits the criteria.

Orlando Pace - I'm fine with this now that Will Shields is in. He meets the criteria.

Dick Stanfel - I know nothing about him, so he's neutral for me. I can name a lot of deserving old-timers, but I can't judge since I don't know him.

Marvin Harrison - Peyton Manning gave him this. He was not a dominant player at any point in his career. He was productive due to Manning. Whatever.

Ken Stabler - Mediocre quarterback on a dirty, cheating team. Screw Ken Stabler and anyone associated with those Raiders teams. No one on those teams should be given any recognition by the league. Stabler and his ilk were cheaters and thugs who were bad for the sport.

Tony Dungy - We've talked about him. He was personally dragged to the Super Bowl by Manning. Any Chiefsplanet member who had been hired as the Colts' head coach in 2002 would be a Hall of Famer right now. Terrible, terrible choice.

Ed DeBartolo Jr. - I initially agreed with milkman's assessment that Dungy is the least deserving Hall of Fame member ever, but I actually think that he's the second-least deserving. What did DeBartolo do to deserve placement in the Hall of Fame? He was rich and he wrote some checks. He did nothing to advance the game or the sport or the league, and in fact brought shame to the league with cheating and gambling. If you want to put him in the Hall of Rich Guys Whose Assets Performed Well, go ahead. But this guy did nothing to help the game, never set foot on the field, and caused embarrassment. Terrible, terrible choice.

So the voters made one obvious choice that couldn't possibly be screwed up, one good choice in Greene, and at least three obvious mistakes.
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I'm good with Favre, Greene, and Pace. Harrison and Dungy are there only due to Manning. Don't get me started on Stabler. Snake, indeed.
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