Chiefs Flanagan:McCluster could be Andy Reid’s secret weapon - Page 5

milkman · 04-06-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He's not a guy you want taking on defenders nor is he a downfield threat. He is a guy who accelerates extremely fast and has agility that graded as one of the best in the combine.

The idea that he's not fast is ridiculous. I don't think he attacks runs as confidently as you'd like (yet) and he tries to get too cute instead of just relying on quick bursts and cuts. But some of that is also because he isn't given the space or blocking to do that. When teams are crowding the line, that takes away his entire space where he can be used effectively.

Do you feel bloated when you are full of shit?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-06-2013, 12:06 PM

If McCluster was actually quick he'd make people miss.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-06-2013, 12:09 PM

If McCluster had a horse on the side of his helmet rather than an Arrowhead not one person would see anything of value from him.

**Bowser** · 04-06-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If McCluster had a horse on the side of his helmet rather than an Arrowhead not one person would see anything of value from him.

Every single one of us would be up Knowmo's ass every time that he'd tell us how McClster is a great security blanket for Peyton.

**Bowser** · 04-06-2013, 12:19 PM

If you're going to be that small in the NFL, you had better have blazing speed, especially if you're prone to turning the ball over and injury.

I'd rather see what Devon Wylie can do in Reid's system.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-06-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

If you're going to be that small in the NFL, you had better have blazing speed, especially if you're prone to turning the ball over and injury.

I'd rather see what Devon Wylie can do in Reid's system.

They'll be used for different purposes. It's like comparing Mike DeVito to Kris Jenkins. In a game of no-huddle and spread, it's valuable to have a guy who can play all across the field. But to do that, he has to mature as a receiver. If he gets better as a receiver and if Reid's system is smarter about finding (not forcing) ways to get him the ball in space, McCluster has a chance to be decent. I think there's a good chance of that happening.

It's not like Reid has been shy about cutting guys he doesn't like. He obviously sees something in the kid and he has pretty good instincts.

EagleRob · 04-06-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The truth is that the idiot took 19 shots a game to get those 20 points and shot 41 percent from the field, just like how all of McCluster's catches came as seven yard dump-offs.

Exactly what do you think Reid's offense is? McCluster could be the key feature on HB screens, slants from the slot, and draws from a 4 WR set.

milkman · 04-06-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob

Exactly what do you think Reid's offense is? McCluster could be the key feature on HB screens, slants from the slot, and draws from a 4 WR set.

I'd rather a guy like with some speed, some actual ability to make people miss, to read blocks, and to break a tackle every now and then, get those touches.

Sure wish we had someone like that on the roster.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 04-06-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'd rather a guy like with some speed, some actual ability to make people miss, to read blocks, and to break a tackle every now and then, get those touches.

Sure wish we had someone like that on the roster.

Don't worry . we'll have Manziel soon.

**Bowser** · 04-06-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Don't worry . we'll have Manziel soon.

**Bowser** · 04-06-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleRob

Exactly what do you think Reid's offense is? McCluster could be the key feature on HB screens, slants from the slot, and draws from a 4 WR set.

Yeah, I'd rather just see Jamaal take on those responsibilities.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-06-2013, 12:49 PM

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Yeah, I'd rather just see Jamaal take on those responsibilities.

McCluster's value, if he ever realizes it, is completely different from what Charles and Wylie offer. He is not supposed to a substitute for Charles or Wylie.

Hammock Parties · 04-06-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

McCluster's value, if he ever realizes it, is completely different from what Charles and Wylie offer. He is not supposed to a substitute for Charles or Wylie.

He has no value. Guys who 1. Don't make plays and 2. Turn the ball over at an absurd rate are worthless.

He's also suffered horrible injuries two of his three seasons in the league. If you think that's going to get better as he gets older, roll another blunt.

**SAUTO** · 04-06-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice

He has no value. Guys who 1. Don't make plays and 2. Turn the ball over at an absurd rate are worthless.

He's also suffered horrible injuries two of his three seasons in the league. If you think that's going to get better as he gets older, roll another blunt.

I don't like the guy but how many turn overs did he actually have?

And I'm not talking about in your mind.
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chiefzilla1501 · 04-06-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice

He has no value. Guys who 1. Don't make plays and 2. Turn the ball over at an absurd rate are worthless.

He's also suffered horrible injuries two of his three seasons in the league. If you think that's going to get better as he gets older, roll another blunt.

He has to learn how to take care of the ball, become a better route runner, develop better receiving instincts, and show better hands. I will agree with you on all these fronts.

I don't agree with anyone who says because we have Charles, McCluster has no value. Charles is a pure screen receiver. McCluster is a guy who can comfortably play both RB and WR. That's especially important in a spread offense and on third downs, and could be very effective in the no huddle. In a pure spread, you have 4-5 WRs. With McCluster, one of those guys can comfortably flex into a RB position. Furthermore, when Weis used him, he was constantly motioning him around in the backfield to give off the illusion that we could be running the ball in a different direction. When a defense starts spying out a potential toss left to McCluster, and they end up handing off to Charles right, that is enough to keep the defense on their toes.

But to succeed... look I don't disagree that he has to get a LOT better. I think it's nonsense when people say the talent is not there. It's there, it's just not very well used, both because he often doesn't have space and when he does, he either isn't confidently running at full speed or doesn't yet know how to use his vision or moves to make people miss. Or when they say Charles does his job, but better. Of course Charles is and always will be a lot better, but when McCluster operated in Weis' offense, there was good reason for both to be on the field.

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