Cam Newton gets 5 year $103M deal

[Chief Roundup]

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$67.6 M in the first 3 years is the most ever.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Only two QBs have more TDs in their first four years than Cam Newton.
Dan Marino 144 TDs
Peyton Manning 118 TDs
Cam Newton 115 TDs.

He's a weapon. Is he worth the contract? Possibly not but hey QBs and CEO pay, shrug.

He has ludicrous upside, which I'm not sure you'll ever see, but it is a part of the package.

I think the NFL was right in being conservative but the talk right after the two point rule change was largely that teams probably still wouldn't go for it much and it'd get moved closer next season like many proposed for this year. Cam Newton could be a scary two point weapon depending on what occurs.

Either way, I'd have kept Cam, it's better than the alternative.

[BigRichard]

The people complaining about the larger contracts do realize that the entire reason the rookies are paid crumbs compared to what they were is so that the veterans got larger contracts. It isn't that people are overpaying it is that the money is just shifting from rookies to veteran players.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're full of shit. What else is new?

The Broncos didn't "cheat" in the 80's, when Elway steered them to three Super Bowls.

Some of you people are absolutely incapable of rational thought.

Now, imagine if the Chiefs had an Elway. Or even a Rapeliss One.

It's still the most important position and the Chiefs suck big dick at it, historically and presently.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by tk13

Don't kid yourself. Rodgers had the #2 scoring defense the year he won it all. They haven't been anywhere close since

Losing in OT in the conference finals isn't "close" ??

[Titty Meat]

I would take Smith over Newton

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Billay

I would take Smith over Newton

Over the next 3 years, I would as well. It's doubly so with the respective contracts taken into account.

Cam's just inaccurate and that's an extremely difficult thing to cure. People keep talking about his ceiling and I guess that's fine, but it seems to operate under the assumption that your ceiling is governed by how hard you can throw.

Cam Newton's ceiling will be dictated by his ball placement and through his first 4 seasons in the league, I've actually seen that regress rather than improve. I don't see any utility in talking about his upside until such time as he's able to actually throw a football where he wants to.

If he can't, he's just another Randall Cunningham.

It's really easy to say 'man, if he can just get his accuracy down, he'd be a 250 lb Steve Young' but c'mon; that's like saying that AJ Jenkins could've been Jerry Rice if he'd have just improved his hands. The list of quarterbacks who have moved themselves a full letter grade as a passer is pretty short; most only improve slightly and few improve at all after 4 years of zero gains.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Over the next 3 years, I would as well. It's doubly so with the respective contracts taken into account.



Cam's just inaccurate and that's an extremely difficult thing to cure. People keep talking about his ceiling and I guess that's fine, but it seems to operate under the assumption that your ceiling is governed by how hard you can throw.



Cam Newton's ceiling will be dictated by his ball placement and through his first 4 seasons in the league, I've actually seen that regress rather than improve. I don't see any utility in talking about his upside until such time as he's able to actually throw a football where he wants to.



If he can't, he's just another Randall Cunningham.



It's really easy to say 'man, if he can just get his accuracy down, he'd be a 250 lb Steve Young' but c'mon; that's like saying that AJ Jenkins could've been Jerry Rice if he'd have just improved his hands. The list of quarterbacks who have moved themselves a full letter grade as a passer is pretty short; most only improve slightly and few improve at all after 4 years of zero gains.

Randall Cunningham was a pretty damn good passer in the last seasons of his career with the Vikings

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Billay

I would take Smith over Newton

Smith has a greater chance to win a Super Bowl than Newton does.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Over the next 3 years, I would as well. It's doubly so with the respective contracts taken into account.

Cam's just inaccurate and that's an extremely difficult thing to cure. People keep talking about his ceiling and I guess that's fine, but it seems to operate under the assumption that your ceiling is governed by how hard you can throw.

Cam Newton's ceiling will be dictated by his ball placement and through his first 4 seasons in the league, I've actually seen that regress rather than improve. I don't see any utility in talking about his upside until such time as he's able to actually throw a football where he wants to.

If he can't, he's just another Randall Cunningham.

It's really easy to say 'man, if he can just get his accuracy down, he'd be a 250 lb Steve Young' but c'mon; that's like saying that AJ Jenkins could've been Jerry Rice if he'd have just improved his hands. The list of quarterbacks who have moved themselves a full letter grade as a passer is pretty short; most only improve slightly and few improve at all after 4 years of zero gains.

Spot on analysis. His horrible mechanics really showed against the 49ers in that playoff game a few years ago. He might have the worst mechanics out of any starter in the league.

Looking at his stats they are the same as Smith's with more turnovers.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Smith has a greater chance to win a Super Bowl than Newton does.

If this team stays healthy they very well could be a super bowl contender.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Over the next 3 years, I would as well. It's doubly so with the respective contracts taken into account.

Cam's just inaccurate and that's an extremely difficult thing to cure. People keep talking about his ceiling and I guess that's fine, but it seems to operate under the assumption that your ceiling is governed by how hard you can throw.

Cam Newton's ceiling will be dictated by his ball placement and through his first 4 seasons in the league, I've actually seen that regress rather than improve. I don't see any utility in talking about his upside until such time as he's able to actually throw a football where he wants to.

If he can't, he's just another Randall Cunningham.

It's really easy to say 'man, if he can just get his accuracy down, he'd be a 250 lb Steve Young' but c'mon; that's like saying that AJ Jenkins could've been Jerry Rice if he'd have just improved his hands. The list of quarterbacks who have moved themselves a full letter grade as a passer is pretty short; most only improve slightly and few improve at all after 4 years of zero gains.

This is where coaching becomes vital and a talking point. If I could have Cam here under our offensive staff? Yeah, I'd absolutely do that. Under riverboat Ron Rivera? No chance.

Everyone wants to talk about talent but in today's nfl, give me coaching and scheme with some talent.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Smith has a greater chance to win a Super Bowl than Newton does.

Couldn't disagree more. The road to the Super Bowl is far more difficult in the AFC.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SNR

Randall Cunningham was a pretty damn good passer in the last seasons of his career with the Vikings

He was a Randy Moss JUGS machine.

He wasn't a precision passer by any stretch, he was simply a super-aggressive thrower who had the most dangerous downfield WR possibly of all time at his disposal. That served to open up some easy underneath routes as well.

I don't believe Cunningham was any better as a pure passer than he'd ever been, Randy Moss just made a lot of guys with big arms look better than they were.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

This is where coaching becomes vital and a talking point. If I could have Cam here under our offensive staff? Yeah, I'd absolutely do that. Under riverboat Ron Rivera? No chance.

Everyone wants to talk about talent but in today's nfl, give me coaching and scheme with some talent.

I don't know what our staff could do to fix him even.

There are very few true QB 'mechanical' gurus out there. Many claim to be - Dilfer's a guy you heard propped up a lot - but few have every shown any real long-term results.

Newton's issue isn't even bad mechanics exactly, it's just wildly inconsistent mechanics. He can't throw the ball the same way twice. If you're a bad golfer, this is almost certainly the reason why and it applies to pretty much any sport. The ability to repeat something is what makes the best guys so good. Watch the sportscience episode on Drew Brees some day if you want to be blown away by how truly robotic some of the best guys are.

I see no reason to believe that Reid would fix Newton's mechanics; that's not what he does. Rather he schemes to strengths/weaknesses. Reid wouldn't do anything to make Newton a demonstrably more accurate passer, IMO - but he might come up with some clever schemes that hide that shortcoming. To some degree, that's what Rivera's done as well by allowing Newton to use his legs like he does.

I don't think Rivera's done a bad job with Newton - I just think he kinda got stuck with Sisyphus's job here. Newton's mechanics are unlikely to ever be consistently 'fixed', regardless of who messes with them, IMO.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't know what our staff could do to fix him even.

There are very few true QB 'mechanical' gurus out there. Many claim to be - Dilfer's a guy you heard propped up a lot - but few have every shown any real long-term results.

Newton's issue isn't even bad mechanics exactly, it's just wildly inconsistent mechanics. He can't throw the ball the same way twice. If you're a bad golfer, this is almost certainly the reason why and it applies to pretty much any sport. The ability to repeat something is what makes the best guys so good. Watch the sportscience episode on Drew Brees some day if you want to be blown away by how truly robotic some of the best guys are.

I see no reason to believe that Reid would fix Newton's mechanics; that's not what he does. Rather he schemes to strengths/weaknesses. Reid wouldn't do anything to make Newton a demonstrably more accurate passer, IMO - but he might come up with some clever schemes that hide that shortcoming. To some degree, that's what Rivera's done as well by allowing Newton to use his legs like he does.

I don't think Rivera's done a bad job with Newton - I just think he kinda got stuck with Sisyphus's job here. Newton's mechanics are unlikely to ever be consistently 'fixed', regardless of who messes with them, IMO.

You get into a muscle memory thing there, those are tough. I'm not entirely sure they're fixable at that level, takes so much effort and time, for any sport.

I don't know that accuracy is something that can be learner to be quite honest. I think you've got it or you don't. Some guys can run hot (flacco, Eli) for a bit, but in the end they're not consistent. That's why I think you build an offense around what they are good at, like the giants and ravens have done. Throw it deep, only gotta hit a few of those to make up for it.

I'd do the same with cam. Essentially what you said with Cunningham. I don't think the panthers have done a great job building an offense around cam, but they bought themselves time.