Would you trade Alex Smith for Colin Kaepernick straight up?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Who has a higher ceiling?

Kap is Mike Vick, if that helps.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by scott free

Kap is Mike Vick, if that helps.

And Alex Smith is?

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by lewdog

And Alex Smith is?

Mark Rypien

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Mark Rypien

a 2x Super Bowl Champ. Wow.

Will Alex be wearing Chiefs red when this happens?

[DTLB58]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Mark Rypien

What? Hasn't the knock on Smith always been his deep ball?

Rypien's games was the deep ball the year they won the SB.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by DTLB58

What? Hasn't the knock on Smith always been his deep ball?

Rypien's games was the deep ball the year they won the SB.

My knock on Alex is that he is too cautious, is too risk averse. That is a far bigger issue than no deep ball.

Alex CAN throw deep passes and has done so. I am sure you've seen them. He is just unwilling to throw deep passes. He craves the sure thing. He hates failure and every incompletion is a failure. So he craves his check downs and short passes.

Fortunately he is a master of the short passing game. Fortunately, Andy Reid likes that. Fortunately Jamaal Charles can break big runs when Alex passes to him behind the line of scrimmage.

It is Alex's cautiousness that is my knock on him, not his deep pass. He would rather take the sure sack than risk a bad play. He would rather hit the open receiver behind the line of scrimmage, than the half-open wide receiver 30 yards downfield.

He manages the game and brilliantly. He is very smart. But you don't usually see the killer instinct you see dwelling in the champions. The ones who would rather hacksaw their cars in half than lose.

I will take Kaepernick's killer instinct any day over Alex's caution.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I will take Kaepernick's killer instinct any day over Alex's caution.

Keep enjoying those playoff losses then... I know I won't. Alex has already disposed of the ultra-cautious, though he is right to play smart football. Live for another play and don't force stupid shit when you don't have to. If Kaep could only take some of that mindset while he tries to learn to read defenses.. he may just be a real SB quarterback.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Keep enjoying those playoff losses then... I know I won't. Alex has already disposed of the ultra-cautious, though he is right to play smart football. Live for another play and don't force stupid shit when you don't have to. If Kaep could only take some of that mindset while he tries to learn to read defenses.. he may just be a real SB quarterback.

I seem to remember Joe Montana losing a playoff game in a KC uniform.

Kaepernick has 30 career starts and is still developing. Like Drew Brees who did not hit his stride until 60 starts, Kaepernick is still developing.

As a general rule, you do not know what you really have with a developing Quarterback before 50 starts. Around 50 starts, you know exactly what you have. Steve Young took more than 50 NFL starts to hit his stride.

If Andy Reid had come to the Chiefs in 2011 and drafted Colin Kaepernick, he would be insane to cut him or bench him today. Flat out insane. He would never do it. He would be thrilled with Kaepernick's progress after only a year and a half starting.

You know it and I know it.

[BeeHo]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

My knock on Alex is that he is too cautious, is too risk averse. That is a far bigger issue than no deep ball.

Alex CAN throw deep passes and has done so. I am sure you've seen them. He is just unwilling to throw deep passes. He craves the sure thing. He hates failure and every incompletion is a failure. So he craves his check downs and short passes.

Fortunately he is a master of the short passing game. Fortunately, Andy Reid likes that. Fortunately Jamaal Charles can break big runs when Alex passes to him behind the line of scrimmage.

It is Alex's cautiousness that is my knock on him, not his deep pass. He would rather take the sure sack than risk a bad play. He would rather hit the open receiver behind the line of scrimmage, than the half-open wide receiver 30 yards downfield.

He manages the game and brilliantly. He is very smart. But you don't usually see the killer instinct you see dwelling in the champions. The ones who would rather hacksaw their cars in half than lose.

I will take Kaepernick's killer instinct any day over Alex's caution.

Yes, I agree that Alex has in recent years leaned on a very conservative style. But that's been changing recently.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by BeeHo

Yes, I agree that Alex has in recent years leaned on a very conservative style. But that's been changing recently.

Yes... but isn't that in part due to the fact that he is an effective Game Manager? He had great defensive play in SF and he played accordingly conservative and not putting his defense in a bad position. What happened when that defense did falter in the second half of the 2011 Saints playoff game? He became aggressive and was successful in doing so. Then in KC, the first half of the year, his defense was playing lights out and the offense was operating on a fraction of the playbook... He played conservative again, never putting his defense in harms way. Then when his defense failed to come back from the bye week and he was facing high powered offenses that put up a ton of points, Smith (and Reid) again let loose on the reins and were very effective. Seems to me that there is ample evidence that shows he is very capable of playing "liberaly" when the game requires it. He is indeed a highly effective game manager, playing the style of football (conservative or aggressive) that gives his team the best chance to win. It may not be flashy much of the time, but it has proven over the last 3 season's to be an effective way to WIN games. Isn't that the ultimate goal? Not who has the best YPG average, or who throws the most bombs?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by scott free

Kap is Mike Vick, if that helps.

So, Smith then. Gotcha.