Better Than Geno - Page 2

**Reaper16** · 02-24-2013, 03:49 PM

Those DL you like so much? I don't see any separation from Geno in terms of prospect potential or viability. Perhaps a guy like Star has a higher floor, but I'm not even sure about that. Drafting DL in the top 5 seems like its been riskier than drafting QB.

Direckshun · 02-24-2013, 03:56 PM

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Those DL you like so much? I don't see any separation from Geno in terms of prospect potential or viability. Perhaps a guy like Star has a higher floor, but I'm not even sure about that. Drafting DL in the top 5 seems like its been riskier than drafting QB.

All players are risks in some form, and honestly if he's that big of a risk, he's not on my Top 15. I usually don't like boom/bust players as much as I do high-floor guys. Which puts me at odds with much of ChiefsPlanet, but my preferences are my preferences.

I'm just saying, all things being equal, most of us would probably take JJ Watt over Donovan McNabb. I may be wrong about that, but I think the board is skewed this year because of how insanely starving we've been for a franchise QB. But that doesn't noodle with my calculations as much as it does other folks here.

I do not see a Super Bowl winner in Geno Smith. I do see a world class bully of offensive lines in a few defensive players.

**the Talking Can** · 02-24-2013, 03:59 PM

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All players are risks in some form, and honestly if he's that big of a risk, he's not on my Top 15. I usually don't like boom/bust players as much as I do high-floor guys. Which puts me at odds with much of ChiefsPlanet, but my preferences are my preferences.

I'm just saying, all things being equal, most of us would probably take JJ Watt over Donovan McNabb. I may be wrong about that, but I think the board is skewed this year because of how insanely starving we've been for a franchise QB. But that doesn't noodle with my calculations as much as it does other folks here.

I do not see a Super Bowl winner in Geno Smith. I do see a world class bully of offensive lines in a few defensive players.

who in their right mind would take Watt over McNabb?

that's so ass backwards...

Direckshun · 02-24-2013, 04:00 PM

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who in their right mind would take Watt over McNabb?

that's so ass backwards...

I would. Watt has Hall of Fame potential.

McNabb, I think, is the comparison I would draw to Geno.

KCrockaholic · 02-24-2013, 04:04 PM

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I would. Watt has Hall of Fame potential.

McNabb, I think, is the comparison I would draw to Geno.

What if we pretended Geno was McNabb. Then ask yourself if you'd take any of those guys over McNabb.

**the Talking Can** · 02-24-2013, 04:07 PM

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I would. Watt has Hall of Fame potential.

McNabb, I think, is the comparison I would draw to Geno.

the point isn't to acquire hall of famers....its to find a franchise QB

chiefs are a perfect ****ing example of what hall of famers that are not/sans QBs get you

you and i live on different planets

melbar · 02-24-2013, 11:52 PM

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I would. Watt has Hall of Fame potential.

McNabb, I think, is the comparison I would draw to Geno.

The problem I think with the value comparison is, what if the Chiefs see him as a Brady Quinn not a McNabb? What value does he have if they think he isn't the guy? I know he's the highest rated this year, but that doesnt mean he's a sure fire starter just because we all want him to be. I want a QB bad this year, and honestly I'm having a hard time waving the banner for anyone ahead of him. I'm finding myself trying to overlook a lot. Total Access tonight made my stomach sink a little watching his interview with Mooch. (yep interview again) When asked to repeat the play Mooch drew up he blanked at first, then had to be prompted 3 times as he forgot progression, protection, and terminology. I've watched I think every QB with Mooch and Gruden the last few years and I dont remember anyone needing more than 1 prompt. Add the repeated "Alex Smiths value went up today", and "how does he make such great throws and turn around and miss so badly on the next?", and I think its reasonable to give a little pause when talking about #1 overall pick.

NorthernWV · 02-26-2013, 04:05 PM

Personally I think Kenny Vaccaro is the most overrated player in this draft. I watched him miss so many tackles and have arm tackles the whole season, mix that in with a 4.7 40, I dont see what all the hypes about with him

O.city · 02-24-2013, 03:54 PM

And I just don't think Werner fits out defense. I don't like him standing up at OLB. IMO, he's a 43 DE.

Joeckel is losing ground to Fisher, who I would actually rather us take at 1 if we are taking a LT.

Direckshun · 02-24-2013, 03:59 PM

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And I just don't think Werner fits out defense. I don't like him standing up at OLB. IMO, he's a 43 DE.

Joeckel is losing ground to Fisher, who I would actually rather us take at 1 if we are taking a LT.

I'm high on Werner, but I'd like to see him perform in the Combine first.

If he breaks 4.7, he's in our wheelhouse.

Fair point on Fisher.

KCrockaholic · 02-24-2013, 04:02 PM

If Jarvis Jones was healthy I'd have him above Geno as a prospect.

But Werner is the only pass rusher I'd put above Geno. I don't like Moore.

Direckshun · 02-24-2013, 04:04 PM

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If Jarvis Jones was healthy I'd have him above Geno as a prospect.

But Werner is the only pass rusher I'd put above Geno. I don't like Moore.

I've read that teams are absolutely hating Jarvis Jones. I've taken him out of 1st round consideration entirely.

KCrockaholic · 02-24-2013, 04:06 PM

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I've read that teams are absolutely hating Jarvis Jones. I've taken him out of 1st round consideration entirely.

I'm not sure why that would be. He's undersized, but with the right team he fits. And I think teams hating Jones has more to do with his spinal issue than his game film.

PaulAllen · 02-24-2013, 04:03 PM

QB biggest need on team: Check

Geno best QB in draft: Check

Chiefs with #1 pick: Check

I dont see the problem here...

O.city · 02-24-2013, 04:04 PM

Preface this by saying I'm high on Geno than you are. But with that, I don't think you are quit playing positional value into your rankings here.

And frankly, I'm tired of playing it the way we have. I'd rather take a chance on a QB who might have more risk attached than a DL who has less.

And as much as you like him, after talking to MU guys, I'm pretty much taking Richardson off the board.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2614064	And I just don't think Werner fits out defense. I don't like him standing up at OLB. IMO, he's a 43 DE. Joeckel is losing ground to Fisher, who I would actually rather us take at 1 if we are taking a LT.
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KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $4712900	If Jarvis Jones was healthy I'd have him above Geno as a prospect. But Werner is the only pass rusher I'd put above Geno. I don't like Moore.
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PaulAllen Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $10004930	QB biggest need on team: Check Geno best QB in draft: Check Chiefs with #1 pick: Check I dont see the problem here...
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02-24-2013, 04:04 PM	#15
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2614064	Preface this by saying I'm high on Geno than you are. But with that, I don't think you are quit playing positional value into your rankings here. And frankly, I'm tired of playing it the way we have. I'd rather take a chance on a QB who might have more risk attached than a DL who has less. And as much as you like him, after talking to MU guys, I'm pretty much taking Richardson off the board.
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