Fivehead Manning: least clutch QB in NFL history?

[GoChargers]

1997 regular season – Manning is dominant in his final season for the Tennessee Volunteers, passing for 36 TD, 11 INT while leading the team to 32.9 PPG in the tough SEC. The best QB in college football finishes No. 2 in the Heisman voting, behind triple-theat performer Charles Woodson.

1997 postseason – Manning produces just a single TD through three quarters and is benched in the fourth quarter as the talent-laden No. 3 Volunteers get smoked by Nebraska, 42-17. Manning completes 21 of 31 for 131 yards, a dismal 4.2 YPA. He is benched in the fourth quarter for Tee Martin, who leads a scoring drive and then leads stacked Tennessee to the national title the following season.

1999 regular season – The Colts roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind second-year phenom Manning. They score 26.4 PPG, third in the NFL.

1999 postseason – Manning completes just 45.2% of his passes with 5.4 YPA and a 62.3 rating as the Colts lose to the Titans, 19-16, playing at home in the Indy dome no less. One and done in the playoffs.

2000 regular season – Manning is brilliant (33 TD, 15 INT, 94.7 rating), while leading the Colts to 26.8 PPG (fourth) and a 10-6 record.

2000 postseason – Manning again struggles to get the ball downfield, completing just 53.1% of his passes for 194 yards, 6.1 YPA and an ordinary 82.0 rating. The Colts lose in Miami, 23-17. One and done in the playoffs.

2002 regular season – The Colts are merely ordinary on offense but go 10-6 and earn a wildcard spot behind one of the league's better defenses: 19.6 PPG (7th). They earn a cushy draw against the 9-7 AFC East champion Jets.

2002 postseason – Manning and the Colts come up lame in one of the most dismal offensive performances in modern playoff history. He completes 45.2% of his passes for 137 yards, 4.4 YPA, 0 TD, 2 INT and a 31.2 rating. The Colts are embarrassed by the 9-7 Jets, 41-0. One and done in the playoffs.

2003 regular season – The Colts explode for 27.9 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record and the AFC South crown. Manning wins his first NFL MVP award, sharing the honor with Steve McNair.

2003 postseason – MVP Manning finally enjoys his first postseason success leading the Colts to the AFC title game with a pair of brilliant playoff performances against the Broncos and Chiefs. Then his statistical chariot turned into a pumpkin, with four picks and a 35.5 rating in an ugly 24-14 loss at New England.

2004 regular season – MVP Manning sets the football world abuzz, throwing a record 49 TD passes while leading the Colts to 522 points and a 12-4 record. Manning wins his second consecutive league MVP award.

2004 postseason – Manning is brilliant against the Broncos in the wildcard round, as he was the year before. Then the NFL MVP shits the bed against the Patriots, with just 5.7 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT and a 69.3 rating in a 20-3 loss. Compared to regular-season production, it is arguably the worst offensive performance in the history of the NFL postseason – at least to that point.

2005 regular season – The mighty Colts are teed up on both sides of the ball to win the Super Bowl: No. 2 in scoring offense (27.4 PPG); No. 2 in scoring defense (15.4), on their way to a brilliant 14-2 record and No. 1 seed in the AFC. It sets up a week rest and a home game against the 11-5 Steelers. By now you know how this story ends.

2005 postseason – Manning didn't exactly shit the bed. But after another brilliant regular season, the offense struggles with its worst performance of the year, producing just 3 points through three quarters. The Colts lose at home to the Steelers, 21-18. One and done in the playoffs.

2006 regular season – The Colts score 26.7 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record.

2006 postseason – Proving that even a blind squirrel can find a nut, Manning throws 3 TDs and 7 INTs in four postseason games, but bumbles his way to his only Super Bowl victory behind Indy's brilliant defensive play (16.3 PPG in postseason). He posts the lowest playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

2007 regular season – The defending champs roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind a prolific offense (28.1 PPG; 3rd) and the league's best defense (16.4 PPG; 1st).

2007 postseason – Manning passes for 402 yards and 3 TDs against the visiting Chargers. But the game turns on two costly INTs in San Diego territory at the end of the first half and at the start of the second half. His third-quarter pass was picked off at the San Diego 3, costing the team critical points in a 28-24 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2008 regular season – The Colts go 12-4, led by a defense that's No. 7 in the NFL in scoring (18.6 PPG). They go on the road in the wildcard round, but get another gimme draw against the 8-8 AFC West champion Chargers. With foil Tom Brady out all year with an injury, the path is paved for Manning and the Colts to win their second Super Bowl.

2008 postseason – Manning doesn't shit the bed. But he hardly looks like the NFL's Most Valuable Player against the average San Diego defense. The Colts struggle to find a groove in a 23-17 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2009 regular season – The balanced Colts go 14-2 behind a strong offense (7th in scoring) and defense (8th), and another MVP performance by Manning (33 TD, 16 INT, 99.9 rating).

2009 postseason – Manning advances to the Super Bowl for the second time in his career. The MVP has a chance to tie the game and cement his legend in the fourth quarter. Instead, his pass his picked off by Tracy Porter, who returns it 74 yards for the game-clinching score. Colts lose to the Saints, 31-17, as Manning is outplayed by Drew Brees.

2010 regular season – The Colts struggle through a 10-6 season, but it's still enough to win the AFC South. Manning throws 33 TD passes and again leads one of the best offenses in football (27.2 PPG).

2010 postseason – Manning plays well, passing for 225 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and a 108.7 rating on 26 attempts. But his team, as usual, suddenly struggles to score points in a critical game. The Colts lose at home to the Jets, 17-16. One and done in the playoffs.

2012 regular season – Manning's first year in Denver is a great success. The Broncos are stacked on both sides of the ball (No. 2 scoring offense; No. 4 scoring defense), go 13-3 and earn the AFC's No. 1 seed.

2012 postseason – Manning threw a pick-six and an ugly Favre-esque across-his-body overtime INT to seal Denver's fate in a 38-35 loss to the Ravens. The Broncos fail to win a game in which they produced two special teams touchdowns. One and done in the playoffs.

2013 regular season – The Broncos dominate the NFL behind Manning's fifth MVP performance. He throws a record 55 TD passes while leading the first 600-point team in NFL history (606).

2013 postseason – Manning takes shitting the bed to new levels in Super Bowl XLVIII. Hell, he shit all over the floor and the walls, too. Wide-eyed Manning muffs the first snap of the game, handing the Seahawks a gift 2-0 lead. He's picked off in Seattle territory later in the first quarter, and throws a pick-six at the end of the first half.

The greatest offense in NFL history is shutout for nearly three quarters, behind Manning's worst game of the season (5.7 YPA, 73.5 rating). The Denver offense, after scoring 37.9 PPG in the regular season, is humiliated in a 43-8 loss. It is easily the worst postseason offensive performance relative to regular season success in the Super Bowl Era, replacing Manning's 2004 Colts for that dishonor.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...manning/31873/

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

So in conclusion, 43 - 8 was a choke, but 17 - 14 to go 18 - 1 wasn't Brady's fault.

Correct?

Both were historical chokejobs. Brady's is completely irrelevant to this thread, though, outside of the Fivehead/Brady dick-measuring contest you're obsessed with.

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

if Tom Brady was the QB for 1 game against Seattle last year on Denver's team ... what do you suggest the final score would have been?

idk.. but i doubt he would go down to 8 points in garbage time. Brady is a better pocket passer than manning.

[Hootie]

Brady is a better pocket passer than Manning? Please, elaborate.

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Brady is a better pocket passer than Manning? Please, elaborate.

I don't have a harddrive of film to prove my opinion, but it is my opinion that Brady feels pressure more while manning picks his spots presnap better.. both do it master level and hard to differentiate at their level, but i think Brady edges Manning in that territory

[Hootie]

Does he have better numbers from the pocket? Am I missing something? They are both pocket QB's. Why the **** would you say "Brady is a better pocket QB?" Are you ****ing reeruned? If you want to think he's a better QB, sure, you're entitled to that opinion. But saying he's a "better pocket QB" is just ****ing reeruned. They are both pocket QB's nimrod.

[Hootie]

Brady feels pressure more ... as he has gotten sacked 60 more times in 50 less games

Genius insight there, guy

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

If Peyton's stats are better, they become "essentially identical", and that somehow morphs into "Brady is better outdoors".

How about this: on 4th down, Brady has thrown 82 times, Peyton has thrown 80 times. Brady has 43 1st downs (52%), 6 TDs (7%), and 3 INTs (4%). Peyton has 51 1st downs (64%), 14 TDs (18%), and 2 INTs (3%). Who's more clutch on 4th down?

Peyton's stats aren't really better, though. They're virtually the same outdoors. That's with Brady playing in the north, and Manning getting games in Houston and Jacksonville.

Here, so the stats are seen. From earlier this year (OCT 31), as part of a longer article:

Brady in a dome: 67.4%, 8.64 YPA, 6.9% TD, 2.62% INT, 106.42 rating

Manning in a dome: 66.16%, 7.8 YPA, 6.1% TD, 2.4% INT, 99.72 rating

Brady outdoors: 63.15%, 7.35 YPA, 5.39% TD, 1.93% INT, 95.28 rating

Manning outdoors: 64.97%, 7.62 YPA, 5.66% TD, 2.63% INT, 95.83 rating

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...manning/31873/


When it comes to outdoor play:

Brady protects the ball better. Manning throws a little bit longer, to better receivers, and hands off for fewer TDs. The QB rating is essentially the same, and Manning's got the edge in terms of where he's playing outdoor games.

When it comes to indoor play:

Brady, even with the same lesser talent surrounding him, puts up clearly superior numbers to Manning.

And notice this little nugget

70.3% of the offensive TDs scored by Manning teams have come via the pass (523 of 744)*
65.5% of the offensive TDs scored by Brady teams have come via the pass (388 of 592)*

There's your TD% differential. Also, Brady puts up more PPG, despite the lesser supporting cast and playing outdoors most of the time.

Look, I get that you're trolling. Hootie doesn't, though. He thinks you're serious. You're going to leave him a very disappointed boy. Let him down easy.

[Hootie]

oh goodie

we're quoting a Boston Herald writer's website again!

Brady has played 12 hole games in a dome !!!

12!

but he's much better indoors than Manning

clearly

[Hootie]

a guy who lives in Boston and has a football website wrote an article that says Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning

SOLD!

MAN

CASE CLOSED

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

a guy who lives in Boston and has a football website wrote an article that says Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning

SOLD!

MAN

CASE CLOSED

still to dumb too discuss how Manning has had a better offense around him, huh? *due to better talent, mind you*

[Hootie]

Tom Brady has always had plenty of talent around him. So has Peyton Manning. And they both make everyone around them better. That's what great QB's do.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Snapplez

Hootie gettin blown the **** out in this thread

He will machine-gun post a few hundred times and claim victory in a debate that he forces on everyone else.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by notorious

He will machine-gun post a few hundred times and claim victory in a debate that he forces on everyone else.

was I the thread starter? pretty easy to ignore a thread as well, guy

[Hootie]

****BREAKING NEWS****

Archie Manning made a blog over at peytonmanningsdadcoldhardfootballfacts.com saying that Peyton is better than Tom.

CASE CLOSED

[Simply Red]

This place is dead tonight - can you two entertain us some more?