Fivehead Manning: least clutch QB in NFL history?

[GoChargers]

1997 regular season – Manning is dominant in his final season for the Tennessee Volunteers, passing for 36 TD, 11 INT while leading the team to 32.9 PPG in the tough SEC. The best QB in college football finishes No. 2 in the Heisman voting, behind triple-theat performer Charles Woodson.

1997 postseason – Manning produces just a single TD through three quarters and is benched in the fourth quarter as the talent-laden No. 3 Volunteers get smoked by Nebraska, 42-17. Manning completes 21 of 31 for 131 yards, a dismal 4.2 YPA. He is benched in the fourth quarter for Tee Martin, who leads a scoring drive and then leads stacked Tennessee to the national title the following season.

1999 regular season – The Colts roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind second-year phenom Manning. They score 26.4 PPG, third in the NFL.

1999 postseason – Manning completes just 45.2% of his passes with 5.4 YPA and a 62.3 rating as the Colts lose to the Titans, 19-16, playing at home in the Indy dome no less. One and done in the playoffs.

2000 regular season – Manning is brilliant (33 TD, 15 INT, 94.7 rating), while leading the Colts to 26.8 PPG (fourth) and a 10-6 record.

2000 postseason – Manning again struggles to get the ball downfield, completing just 53.1% of his passes for 194 yards, 6.1 YPA and an ordinary 82.0 rating. The Colts lose in Miami, 23-17. One and done in the playoffs.

2002 regular season – The Colts are merely ordinary on offense but go 10-6 and earn a wildcard spot behind one of the league's better defenses: 19.6 PPG (7th). They earn a cushy draw against the 9-7 AFC East champion Jets.

2002 postseason – Manning and the Colts come up lame in one of the most dismal offensive performances in modern playoff history. He completes 45.2% of his passes for 137 yards, 4.4 YPA, 0 TD, 2 INT and a 31.2 rating. The Colts are embarrassed by the 9-7 Jets, 41-0. One and done in the playoffs.

2003 regular season – The Colts explode for 27.9 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record and the AFC South crown. Manning wins his first NFL MVP award, sharing the honor with Steve McNair.

2003 postseason – MVP Manning finally enjoys his first postseason success leading the Colts to the AFC title game with a pair of brilliant playoff performances against the Broncos and Chiefs. Then his statistical chariot turned into a pumpkin, with four picks and a 35.5 rating in an ugly 24-14 loss at New England.

2004 regular season – MVP Manning sets the football world abuzz, throwing a record 49 TD passes while leading the Colts to 522 points and a 12-4 record. Manning wins his second consecutive league MVP award.

2004 postseason – Manning is brilliant against the Broncos in the wildcard round, as he was the year before. Then the NFL MVP shits the bed against the Patriots, with just 5.7 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT and a 69.3 rating in a 20-3 loss. Compared to regular-season production, it is arguably the worst offensive performance in the history of the NFL postseason – at least to that point.

2005 regular season – The mighty Colts are teed up on both sides of the ball to win the Super Bowl: No. 2 in scoring offense (27.4 PPG); No. 2 in scoring defense (15.4), on their way to a brilliant 14-2 record and No. 1 seed in the AFC. It sets up a week rest and a home game against the 11-5 Steelers. By now you know how this story ends.

2005 postseason – Manning didn't exactly shit the bed. But after another brilliant regular season, the offense struggles with its worst performance of the year, producing just 3 points through three quarters. The Colts lose at home to the Steelers, 21-18. One and done in the playoffs.

2006 regular season – The Colts score 26.7 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record.

2006 postseason – Proving that even a blind squirrel can find a nut, Manning throws 3 TDs and 7 INTs in four postseason games, but bumbles his way to his only Super Bowl victory behind Indy's brilliant defensive play (16.3 PPG in postseason). He posts the lowest playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

2007 regular season – The defending champs roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind a prolific offense (28.1 PPG; 3rd) and the league's best defense (16.4 PPG; 1st).

2007 postseason – Manning passes for 402 yards and 3 TDs against the visiting Chargers. But the game turns on two costly INTs in San Diego territory at the end of the first half and at the start of the second half. His third-quarter pass was picked off at the San Diego 3, costing the team critical points in a 28-24 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2008 regular season – The Colts go 12-4, led by a defense that's No. 7 in the NFL in scoring (18.6 PPG). They go on the road in the wildcard round, but get another gimme draw against the 8-8 AFC West champion Chargers. With foil Tom Brady out all year with an injury, the path is paved for Manning and the Colts to win their second Super Bowl.

2008 postseason – Manning doesn't shit the bed. But he hardly looks like the NFL's Most Valuable Player against the average San Diego defense. The Colts struggle to find a groove in a 23-17 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2009 regular season – The balanced Colts go 14-2 behind a strong offense (7th in scoring) and defense (8th), and another MVP performance by Manning (33 TD, 16 INT, 99.9 rating).

2009 postseason – Manning advances to the Super Bowl for the second time in his career. The MVP has a chance to tie the game and cement his legend in the fourth quarter. Instead, his pass his picked off by Tracy Porter, who returns it 74 yards for the game-clinching score. Colts lose to the Saints, 31-17, as Manning is outplayed by Drew Brees.

2010 regular season – The Colts struggle through a 10-6 season, but it's still enough to win the AFC South. Manning throws 33 TD passes and again leads one of the best offenses in football (27.2 PPG).

2010 postseason – Manning plays well, passing for 225 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and a 108.7 rating on 26 attempts. But his team, as usual, suddenly struggles to score points in a critical game. The Colts lose at home to the Jets, 17-16. One and done in the playoffs.

2012 regular season – Manning's first year in Denver is a great success. The Broncos are stacked on both sides of the ball (No. 2 scoring offense; No. 4 scoring defense), go 13-3 and earn the AFC's No. 1 seed.

2012 postseason – Manning threw a pick-six and an ugly Favre-esque across-his-body overtime INT to seal Denver's fate in a 38-35 loss to the Ravens. The Broncos fail to win a game in which they produced two special teams touchdowns. One and done in the playoffs.

2013 regular season – The Broncos dominate the NFL behind Manning's fifth MVP performance. He throws a record 55 TD passes while leading the first 600-point team in NFL history (606).

2013 postseason – Manning takes shitting the bed to new levels in Super Bowl XLVIII. Hell, he shit all over the floor and the walls, too. Wide-eyed Manning muffs the first snap of the game, handing the Seahawks a gift 2-0 lead. He's picked off in Seattle territory later in the first quarter, and throws a pick-six at the end of the first half.

The greatest offense in NFL history is shutout for nearly three quarters, behind Manning's worst game of the season (5.7 YPA, 73.5 rating). The Denver offense, after scoring 37.9 PPG in the regular season, is humiliated in a 43-8 loss. It is easily the worst postseason offensive performance relative to regular season success in the Super Bowl Era, replacing Manning's 2004 Colts for that dishonor.

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[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

As soon as you guys figure out that for every excuse you have for Brady I can match it with one for Manning, these threads will die.

As soon as you realize that nobody else shares your Tom Brady obsession, you'll feel a lot more sane. For the millionth time, Fivehead takes shit here because he chokes and is overrated. It has nothing to do with Brady. In fact, whenever the subject of Fivehead choking comes up, you make it about Brady and then have the audacity to claim that the rest of us are somehow making excuses for a quarterback we don't give a **** about.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

anyone who watched the Denver / Seattle super bowl and concluded Peyton Manning choked rather than Denver just got anhilated in every facet of the game is a ****ing moron

"GOAT quarterback" with the "GOAT offense" only scoring 8 points in the Super Bowl = epic choke! And their vaunted offense wasn't exactly lighting it up in the other playoff games either compared to the hype.

[Snapplez]

Hootie gettin blown the **** out in this thread

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Absolutely. Manning has never had more around him than Brady. Each QB has elevated the talent around them as much as you'd expect all-time great QB's to do.

The Manning offense (being no huddle) is going to put up more numbers than the Pats offense.

I don't think Manning is better than Brady because he has better stats, I think he's better than Brady because he's more talented. He also runs his own offense and calls his own plays (for the majority of his career). He is a more valuable player to a team than Tom Brady. We saw this when Brady got injured and the Pats still won 11 games with Matt Cassel.

Peyton Manning IS the system.

we shall agree to disagree

Manning has had more first round draft picks
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pat...better-weapons

Lets not go away from the fact that we both agree Manning and Brady are both some of the top Qbs to ever do it. Both make their guys better, but without question Manning has had more skilled threats and highly touted threats.. let alone prob. more HOF threats.

Cassel had a great year, behind a great oline, in fact, Cassels is prob 2x the QB Painter is.

Little game tape was on Cassel at the time. Same thing happened to Kaepernick.. the nfl needed to adjust to his game.

Cas has a 93 Rating with the chiefs
Painter had a high of 67 with the colts *rounded up*

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Their outside stats are essentially identical, and Brady's played a larger percentage of games in bad weather outdoor stadiums.

Brady - Better outdoors
Brady - Better indoors
Brady - Better in the playoffs
Brady - Better in the clutch
Brady - Just flat out better

If Peyton's stats are better, they become "essentially identical", and that somehow morphs into "Brady is better outdoors".

How about this: on 4th down, Brady has thrown 82 times, Peyton has thrown 80 times. Brady has 43 1st downs (52%), 6 TDs (7%), and 3 INTs (4%). Peyton has 51 1st downs (64%), 14 TDs (18%), and 2 INTs (3%). Who's more clutch on 4th down?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

"GOAT quarterback" with the "GOAT offense" only scoring 8 points in the Super Bowl = epic choke! And their vaunted offense wasn't exactly lighting it up in the other playoff games either compared to the hype.

So in conclusion, 43 - 8 was a choke, but 17 - 14 to go 18 - 1 wasn't Brady's fault.

Correct?

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

anyone who watched the Denver / Seattle super bowl and concluded Peyton Manning choked rather than Denver just got anhilated in every facet of the game is a ****ing moron

lmao Part of the reason denver got annihilated was because Peyton was TERRIBLE.

BTW, Manning had a HISTORICAL offense going into that game. Denver was favored in that as well.

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

If Peyton's stats are better, they become "essentially identical", and that somehow morphs into "Brady is better outdoors".

How about this: on 4th down, Brady has thrown 82 times, Peyton has thrown 80 times. Brady has 43 1st downs (52%), 6 TDs (7%), and 3 INTs (4%). Peyton has 51 1st downs (64%), 14 TDs (18%), and 2 INTs (3%). Who's more clutch on 4th down?

stats only tell the story you want it to tell. goes for both side. Stats only tell part of the sitauation

[Hootie]

so you guys watched that game last year, the Super Bowl, and concluded Denver lost because of a Peyton Manning choke

? right ?

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

So in conclusion, 43 - 8 was a choke, but 17 - 14 to go 18 - 1 wasn't Brady's fault.

Correct?

so you're trying to argue getting blown out in the biggest game of the year is equal to losing a game by a play or two where both teams were in a defensive battle?

Correct?

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

so you guys watched that game last year, the Super Bowl, and concluded Denver lost because of a Peyton Manning choke

? right ?

posting 1 -2 Td/int with a 73.5 rtg is not a large reason for losing a game?

[Hootie]

18 - 1 and only scoring 14 points is probably 100 X bigger of a choke than anything Peyton Manning did last Super Bowl.

if you watched that game without bias, Seattle outplayed Denver in every facet of the game. Better offense, better defense, better special teams, better coach, better game plan.

Some of that falls on Peyton ... but that game got out of hand in a hurry. Peyton didn't even have a shot at choking.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

posting 1 -2 Td/int with a 73.5 rtg is not a large reason for losing a game?

No. That game was over before it started. There is not a QB in the NFL that could have been Denver's QB in that game and led them to a victory.

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

18 - 1 and only scoring 14 points is probably 100 X bigger of a choke than anything Peyton Manning did last Super Bowl.

if you watched that game without bias, Seattle outplayed Denver in every facet of the game. Better offense, better defense, better special teams, better coach, better game plan.

Some of that falls on Peyton ... but that game got out of hand in a hurry. Peyton didn't even have a shot at choking.

wow man. wow

[Hootie]

if Tom Brady was the QB for 1 game against Seattle last year on Denver's team ... what do you suggest the final score would have been?