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Old 11-17-2012, 02:39 PM   #1
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They signed up for the job, there'll be times it will suck to work.

That being said, it's absolutely thickening how ridiculous Black Friday has become in this culture. I get trying to save money but I'd hope there would be a better way.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:46 PM   #2
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They signed up for the job, there'll be times it will suck to work.

That being said, it's absolutely thickening how ridiculous Black Friday has become in this culture. I get trying to save money but I'd hope there would be a better way.
Yep, be thankful for what you have and then go out and buy a bunch of shit. I found some good deals online last year, but there's no way in hell I'd go anywhere a retail store.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:13 PM   #3
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So they aren't shocked, who cares. The point is that of all people, those who sign up to work over night at a retail store have absolutely nothing to say here. You clearly gave that story because they are forced to work the holiday as if that is something unexpected or unjust. Why should overnight workers have any say in whether or not they work overnight on one of the stores busiest days?

By definition an attempt to one up other retailers would be them opening at the same time or earlier. They knew when the competition was opening but they at least delayed it an hour.
I forgot to say that, if I remember right, they told them all that they'd be there overnight on Wednesday night/Thursday morning there normal hours (1 AM- 8 AM) to stock everything up, but that they'd also be scheduled later on in the day in order to open at 9 PM. Not sure if that changes anything for you but THAT'S the shitty part I was talking about.

What do you think Wal-Mart's earlier opening hours was in essence? They're doing it to get a leg up on the competition. Not the exact definition of "one-upping" but pretty damn close. Target is just following suit because they have to. But hey, they're opening an hour later than Wal-Mart; they must really care about their employees holidays, right!?

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Unless you are a person that has advocated for movie theater people working holidays in the past all you people complaining about this should just now.
Movie theaters are a bit different to me. First of all, as you mentioned, movie theaters have been open on holidays as long as I can remember. These retail employees were, until very recently, allowed to enjoy their holidays before dealing with the Black Friday madness. Secondly, and this is more a reflection of the culture of Black Friday than anything as others have pointed out, but a holiday spent at the movies or bowling alley with the family is so ridiculously different than running out to your local Wally World to get that TV you've wanted for cheap.

I don't like where it's heading; that's the problem I have.

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I can't think of very many people that wouldn't throw a shit fit if the Thanksgiving holiday they have always been allowed to have was forcably taken away from them.
And this basically sums up my thoughts a lot more succinctly.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:08 PM   #4
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They signed up for the job, there'll be times it will suck to work.

That being said, it's absolutely thickening how ridiculous Black Friday has become in this culture. I get trying to save money but I'd hope there would be a better way.
They didn't sign up for this.

They took the job with the expectation that Thanksgiving was off. Now the company is trying to take away a holiday.

It's easy for us to talk about this when you're on the outside. I know every one of my co-workers would throw an absolute shit fit if they were forced to work on Thanksgiving.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:49 PM   #5
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I know every one of my co-workers would throw an absolute shit fit if they were forced to work on Thanksgiving.
They wouldn't be forced into anything. Can we stop saying this?
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:59 PM   #6
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They wouldn't be forced into anything. Can we stop saying this?
No, Target recruits "volunteers" willing to take more pay to work the holiday. Because this is what the PR machine says, this is what we should believe. The groundswell of pissed off employees is clearly because they are upset because other employees are "volunteering" for Thanksgiving shifts.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:44 PM   #7
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I can't think of very many people that wouldn't throw a shit fit if the Thanksgiving holiday they have always been allowed to have was forcably taken away from them.
I'm pretty sure they are opening at 9 pm not 9 am so let's not act like it's the whole holiday...

But anyways, I get workers being upset but the people here that are throwing fits are not the workers so the point remains that unless they can say they have always advocated for movie theater workers in the same situation they should just shut up.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:06 PM   #8
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I'm pretty sure they are opening at 9 pm not 9 am so let's not act like it's the whole holiday...

But anyways, I get workers being upset but the people here that are throwing fits are not the workers so the point remains that unless they can say they have always advocated for movie theater workers in the same situation they should just shut up.
Movie theater workers signed up for the job, knowing that was the expectation. And let's be real here, the amount of employees to run a movie theatre isn't remotely close to the amount you'll need to run a retail store on Thanksgiving.

Target workers did not sign up for this. And saying it's 9pm... I know I would be pissed if I know I had to drink less on Thanksgiving night because my boss FORCED me to go to work that day. And it was because my company decided to make up a policy this year that stripped me of a holiday. I am lucky and thankful to work for a company that knows I work hard all year long, but that believes in giving me time on the holidays for my family.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:18 PM   #9
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Target workers did not sign up for this..
Also something to think about, a lot of times, the hours for Black Friday openings are kept under wraps until very near the holiday. My friend told me that they were told they'd opening at 9 PM on Thanksgiving only a couple weeks ago. I did a quick Google search of Wal-Mart's opening hours in 2011 and the front page had people asking (Yahoo! Answers) as late as November 9th.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:57 PM   #10
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Yes, the Black Friday nonsense is out of control. No, they shouldn't be forced to work. And what goes on in movie theaters has absolutely nothing to do with this.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:00 PM   #11
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Black Friday= I need more!!!!!!!!
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I think black Friday is reeruned and I have never once shopped on that day. However, some people just have to work on that day (many professions) and if you don't think retail is one of those, you are stupid.
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I think black Friday is reeruned and I have never once shopped on that day. However, some people just have to work on that day (many professions) and if you don't think retail is one of those, you are stupid.
Black Friday isn't the issue, dude. It's Thanksgiving.
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Black Friday isn't the issue, dude. It's Thanksgiving.
I have to work on both days, so I still don't see the deal.
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