Down goes Fasano

[In58men]

@NFL_RealUpdates: #Chiefs are releasing veteran TE Anthony Fasano, per @JeffDarlington

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I'm not sure you get it.

The Chiefs have around $8M in space?

Aaron Rodgers got $33M in cash as a signing bonus 3 years ago. His year 1 cap was $11M. Now Houston wont get as much money as Rodgers but it will maybe be only $10-20 million less. The prorated money of a bonus like that basically covers the cap space the Chiefs have so it doesnt really matter how low his base salary is year 1.

I understand the cap just fine. I'm talking long term, a bigger bonus keeps their base salary lower, thus freeing up more cap space to sign other players.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

That's why you make sure you want that player long term. Yes, your way will work, as well, but to keep the vase salary down long term, the big bonus works best. Your way, makes said player's cap number INCREASE, making it more difficult to retain other players.

My way ensures that you can cut ties and or restructure the player, actually resulting in a lower AAV of the contract and providing leverage in negotiations down the line in the event you want to extend them. Your way handcuffs the team to the player, provides zero restructure flexibility and zero leverage in negotiations down the line. But whatever.

It is way easier to use the salary portion of the contract to divvy up the cap hit than it is the signing bonus. Team friendly deals have less signing bonus. I am not sure what you are getting at here at all frankly.

For example:

If you signed Justin Houston to a 6 year deal worth 90 million, 50% gty'd: (all in '000s)
Backload, moderate signing bonus (24,000):
Year/Salary/S.Bon/Cap
2015/1,000/4,000/5,000 (Fully gty'd)
2016/10,000/4,000/14,000 (Fully gty'd)
2017/13,000/4,000/17,000 (10,000 salary gty'd)
2018/13,000/4,000/17,000 (zero gty'd)
2019/13,000/4,000/17,000 (zero gty'd)
2020/16,000/4,000/20,000 (zero gty'd)

With this scenario I can convert that 16,000 to signing bonus on the next deal and generate 15,000 in cap savings and reduce the AAV on the deal by 2,500.

45,000 in signing bonus
Year/Salary/S.Bon/Cap
2015/1,000/7,500/8,500
2016/8,000/7,500/15,500
2017/9,000/7,500/16,500
2018/9,000/7,500/16,500
2019/9,000/7,500/16,500
2020/9,000/7,500/16,500

With this scenario, you can't even cut Houston until 2019 and your restructure capacity is limited to 9,000 and you have very little renegotiation leverage because he has less earnings in 2020 on the line.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I understand the cap just fine. I'm talking long term, a bigger bonus keeps their base salary lower, thus freeing up more cap space to sign other players.

So when I say that every penny of the Chiefs current cap space is going to Houston and you say, "Not true." That's what? You talking about long term in a present tense conversation?

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I understand the cap just fine. I'm talking long term, a bigger bonus keeps their base salary lower, thus freeing up more cap space to sign other players.

Apart from being factually incorrect, you are spot on.

[ct]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Every penny of the Chiefs current cap space is going to go to Houston. They are going to need to cut more players, and some higher paid players at that.

Hali and DJ top that list of higher paid players. Bowe would be option #3 for me. People saying that you can easily replace his production are trying to compare his production with Alex Smith to that of Randall Cobb with Aaron Rodgers. It's dumb. Bowe was what? 200% more productive than any other receiver on the team? They've already cut 2 of their shit corp. They can't afford to cut Bowe without some kind of guarantee of a FA coming to the Chiefs.

You can cut Hali because you already made the choice to replace him last draft. You can cut DJ because you just played a whole ****ing season without him and did fairly well.

Personally I'm not expecting randall cobb or jeremy maclin, nor do we need that to get bowe's production. 200% more than a pile of shit is just a pile of shit twice as big, eh?

You can sign a WR2 FA, draft a #1 and start grooming, and still sign a 2nd TE to pair with Kelce and this offense would be significantly better than LY imo. Eddie Royal, Cecil Shorts, hell Nate Washington or Brian Hartline!

Cutting Bowe w/ June1 designation saves nearly 2x cutting DJ, and I'll throw out there DJ makes 2x the contribution that Bowe did.

Our fun D was putrid LY, getting DJ at 80% speed would do amazing things to make the D even better. Keeping Bowe holds us back.

[O.city]

Bowe, hali, dj, daniel and devito all are going to have to go to sign hudson and Houston and have anything left over for a free agent signing or two.

Probably have to let Vance walker go and re up with Sean smith And then there's the whole berry situation.

[nychief]

Fins release wr hartline and Gibson.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I dont even really care about his recovery, tbh. He's got 1 year left under contract, he's currently injured, and not a part of the future of this team. He's the type of roster spot you give to a younger guy.

I'd hate to see him go, but you're spot on IMO, hanging onto the past only delays the future at that position.

But I feel a bit different about this next guy...

In regard to your later post about Hali also needing to go, I disagree... they can find a way to keep him around if he is serious about being willing to restructure in a significant way.

Would sure like to keep him around to swap out with Ford and help school that kid up, because I'm not sure he's ready for a full workload.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by nychief

Fins release wr hartline and Gibson.

Hartline? That's the kind of scrappy, high motor, gamer, sneakily athletic, high IQ receiver this team needs.

[BossChief]

Bowe - june1 cut 9.5m
Alex Smith - restructure saves 8-10m
Mays - cut 2.7m
Hali - paycut 6-8m
Daniel - trade/cut 3.8m
Devito - cut 4m

That's 34m in cap space on the low end. Enough for Houston, Hudson, Parker and a FA or 3.

Here's where we make a move to make more space while sending a message...

Give Eric Berry a contract extension.

Now....hear me out.

He is due 5,155,000 in base salary and a 300,000 workout bonus in 2015.

Extend him with a 5,455,000 signing bonus on a 5 year deal with a reasonable roster bonus for 2016 and a vet min base salary for 2015. That gives him his salary he would have gotten over next season all at once and lets us wait to pay for it to the cap till next year.

That makes his cap hit this year less than 2m and keeps the guy in KC long term if he recovers and is able to play again.

If he doesn't, we release him next year...don't gave to pay the roster bonus and the original signing bonus accelerates to the cap next year (when we have a lot more cap space).

If I'm figuring that right, it would save us about 4m in cap space.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Bowe - june1 cut 9.5m
Alex Smith - restructure saves 8-10m
Mays - cut 2.7m
Hali - paycut 6-8m
Daniel - trade/cut 3.8m
Devito - cut 4m

That's 34m in cap space on the low end. Enough for Houston, Hudson, Parker and a FA or 3.

Here's where we make a move to make more space while sending a message...

Give Eric Berry a contract extension.

Now....hear me out.

He is due 5,155,000 in base salary and a 300,000 workout bonus in 2015.

Extend him with a 5,455,000 signing bonus on a 5 year deal with a reasonable roster bonus for 2016 and a vet min base salary for 2015. That gives him his salary he would have gotten over next season all at once and lets us wait to pay for it to the cap till next year.

That makes his cap hit this year less than 2m and keeps the guy in KC long term if he recovers and is able to play again.

If he doesn't, we release him next year...don't gave to pay the roster bonus and the original signing bonus accelerates to the cap next year (when we have a lot more cap space).

If I'm figuring that right, it would save us about 4m in cap space.

I agree with all your points boss - but NFI him each year and don't pay him the salary. This will allow him to keep the 5.5M spread out over five years and give us rights to him when he gets back and only take a 1.1M hit against the cap each year.