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[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by milkman

But his rookie season wasn't as spectacular as most make it out to be.

The Colts are a 2-3 win team at best without Luck this last year irregardless of an easier schedule. That is how good Luck is and will be even more in the future.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

The Colts are a 2-3 win team at best without Luck this last year irregardless of an easier schedule. That is how good Luck is and will be even more in the future.

The Chiefs won 10 games with Matt Cassel against a schedule that wasas soft as the Colt was this year.

The Seahawks won, what, 6 games last year, and turned around to battle for the divion against a far touhger schedule, with virtually the same cast.

This kid has the poise and presence that only few have.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by milkman

This kid has the poise and presence that only few have.

Don't disagree at all. And I am a huge Wilson fan. And what he was able to do in the playoffs(bringing his team back from initial severe deficits in both playoff games) especially against Atlanta was just amazing, not ever batting an eye even when severely down by halftime in a playoff game on the road in a dome for goodness sake. Seahawks should have won that game but their D went Greg Robinson on that last possession. Wilson did his part for sure.

The question here is, if both QB's switched teams would their records have been the same with the same outcome in the playoffs ??? Your take.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Don't disagree at all. And I am a huge Wilson fan. And what he was able to do in the playoffs(bringing his team back from initial severe deficits in both playoff games) especially against Atlanta was just amazing, not ever batting an eye even when severely down by halftime in a playoff game on the road in a dome for goodness sake. Seahawks should have won that game but their D went Greg Robinson on that last possession. Wilson did his part for sure.

The question here is, if both QB's switched teams would their records have been the same with the same outcome in the playoffs ??? Your take.

That's a difficult question.

I don't believe Wiison was as advanced to start the year, but was better by seasonns end.
Idon't think the Colts would have won as many games, but they would have been a better team at the end of the year.

If they switched te

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Originally Posted by milkman

Luck put up large portion of his numbers against prevent defenses.

To his credit, he produced in those situations, where others haven't.

But his rookie season wasn't as spectacular as most make it out to be.

nah, Luck is scary good. Once he stops making mistakes and gets it. It's gonna be ridiculous.

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but you can make a case for all 3. A remarkable year for the QB.

[milkman]

I'm calling it now.

Russel Wilson will have more SB wins than either Luck or RGIII.

[DTLB58]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm calling it now.

Russel Wilson will have more SB wins than either Luck or RGIII.

Eh, ya never know. The guys looks amazing don't get me wrong. But so do the other two.

A SB win(s) however depends so much more than just on that one player.
The team, front office, injuries, weather in a specific game a bad call.

I just know this, After watching the NFL for as long as I have, Marino should have won a SB, Elway should have won more sooner, Peyton should have more.
But they don't. Favre only has one, but has almost all the records. You just never know.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DTLB58

Eh, ya never know. The guys looks amazing don't get me wrong. But so do the other two.

A SB win(s) however depends so much more than just on that one player.
The team, front office, injuries, weather in a specific game a bad call.

I just know this, After watching the NFL for as long as I have, Marino should have won a SB, Elway should have won more sooner, Peyton should have more.
But they don't. Favre only has one, but has almost all the records. You just never know.

Brett Favre is every bit as responsible for his team's lack of playoff succes thrugh the years as any of the rest of those team's players or units.

And since you apparently have not paid attention, I'll let you in on some newz.
Peyton Manning is the gretest chokerf ever.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by milkman

Peyton Manning is the gretest chokerf ever.

I get what you are saying but how much of his so-called "choking" was because he had mediocre to poor defenses that allowed for a manure load of scoring on him thus he was always playing from behind having to push the envelope more than he needed IF he were to have at least a decent defense to make a few more stops. Because it sure wasn't a lack of scoring from Manning that's for sure. I don't care if you are Unitas,Montana,etc..... when you put any QB in a position of always having to play from behind mistakes will be made. We saw it in Brady just a couple of weeks ago.

[tk13]

Luck threw for more yards than any rookie in the history of football. He led the league in game winning drives. The only three QBs with more completions of 25+ yards were Brees, Flacco and Manning. He dragged maybe the worst playoff team ever into the playoffs.

RGIII deserved this award just as much, he had the best numbers. He just needs to stay healthy. But I'd still take Luck over Griffin and the midget. If you gave Luck the Seahawks defense and Marshawn Lynch he might still be playing.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by tk13

If you gave Luck the Seahawks defense and Marshawn Lynch he might still be playing.

Uhm, how?

Wilson went down swinging about as well as any QB ever in a postseason loss.

What a ridiculous statement.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

Uhm, how?

Wilson went down swinging about as well as any QB ever in a postseason loss.

What a ridiculous statement.

The AFC is terrible. If you give any team the Seahawks defense, they are an instant contender. You add in Marshawn Lynch and a QB who had a penchant for coming up big when his team absolutely needed it, that's more than enough to win the conference.

Really, that's pretty much what Baltimore did.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by tk13

The AFC is terrible. If you give any team the Seahawks defense, they are an instant contender. You add in Marshawn Lynch and a QB who had a penchant for coming up big when his team absolutely needed it, that's more than enough to win the conference.

Really, that's pretty much what Baltimore did.

not quite sure how this makes a case for Andrew Luck

I think Luck is/will be fantastic.

He wasn't on Wilson's level this year IMO.

[ThaVirus]

But to the point, I honestly don't know how Luck got a single vote going up against RGIII and Wilson. He did pretty well for a rookie, but as others have stated, he just threw way too many damn INTs and his completion percentage rivaled that of a young Mike Vick. He may have the best career out of the three, but speaking of this season, I'd say the other two were a notch above him.

As far as RGIII and Wilson are concerned, I agree that RGIII should have gotten the nod. Wilson's hype train only really reached full steam in the last 1/3 of the season. It was full-on light speed by the time the Hawks got booted from the playoffs, but as far as I know, these awards are based on regular season performance.

Due to the injury, RGIII's stock is definitely not pointing as high as Wilson or Luck's, but he really was pretty amazing this season. I had the pleasure of watching the Skins in several games this season and he just looks like he has the stuff. Hopefully he can bounce back from that injury.