Poe.

[Ace Gunner]

My main concern with him is his lacking technique and he seems docile. He's going to need a season or two before he lives up to expectations.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

My main concern with him is his lacking technique and he seems docile. He's going to need a season or two before he lives up to expectations.

Yeah, i wouldn't expect much in his first year. I don't expect to see what we truely have till his 3rd or 4th season.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yeah, i wouldn't expect much in his first year. I don't expect to see what we truely have till his 3rd or 4th season.

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

I think Dorsey is all he's going to be at this point, which isn't bad.

He's gonna be a solid yet unspectacular 10 year pro, and no, i dont think he's going put up better numbers in a 43 either. He's going up against LG's in the 34. He's going to be going up against LG's in a 43 as well.

"But, but Detoxing! It's the schemes fault! If he were in a 43 he would get better sack numbers because he has to tie up blockers in a 34"

BS BS BS

On passing downs, Hali is taking on LT's and Dorsey is getting 1vs1 matchups vs the LG and he just doesn't get it one. That's not going to change in a 43.

Jackson? I guess we'll see, but i think he'll have a similar career as Dorsey.

[bsp4444]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

This.

How many times has Hali been so close to either a sack or knocking the ball away? I expect his impact to the game to increase dramatically if/when we see the pressure from the D-Line that we've been expecting.

[themanwithnoname]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

They will do like they've been doing, and that will be fine. I really don't expect more stats from them even if Poe plays like a monster as I expect Poe or the linebackers will be getting the stats. I certainly won't complain if Jackson starts getting sacks like Neil Smith and Dorsey wrecks lines like he did in college, but I'm not expecting that at all.

That is their jobs and they've been doing it pretty well actually. Yeah they're overpaid but its not their fault that they were picked as high as they were.

I seem to be one of the few that doesn't want to see us lose either of them. Now, I do want to see them get much, much more reasonable contracts, but I think they are actually a big part of the defense's improvement.

As for Poe, because of Dorsey and Jackson, I expect Poe will actually look pretty good from the get go. The defense is setup very well for a nose tackle to thrive in, and because of those two I think its actually going to protect Poe in that he can make mistakes and learn and it not be devastating.

I'm not sure if its been by design or it was just how things happened, but both sides of the ball are setup for the key player for them to come in and be successful so if they're good that side of the ball should be great.

I actually think that DJ and Berry will possibly be the biggest benefactors. They might not have to look even more amazing and shrug off blockers to make a play, plus we might see them rush more if there's open lanes for them to attack.

[LOCOChief]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

What's your expectations for Dorsey & T Jack?

This is the year they both better damn well do there jobs. I think they do fine in run defense but we suffer at getting to the QB with them. I'm hoping with Poe he helps collapse the pocket on the inside & T Jack & Dorsey have better routes to the QB, somebody is going be double teamed & taking up blocks for Hali to get there quicker.

They do their jobs already. Their jobs are to stuff the run and occupy blockers so that Hali, Houston, DJ, Berry etc.... can get to the QB

People will think differently about Dorsey and TJ if Poe pans out in the middle, and I think he'll rape right out of the gate.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by LOCOChief

They do their jobs already. Their jobs are to stuff the run and occupy blockers so that Hali, Houston, DJ, Berry etc.... can get to the QB

People will think differently about Dorsey and TJ if Poe pans out in the middle, and I think he'll rape right out of the gate.

This is a misconception. Their PRIMARY job is to tie up blockers, not their only job, which they do a good job at. But they also need to get after the QB, which they fail miserably at.

[Buckweath]

People need to stop with being disappointed by Dorsey and Jackson poor sack numbers, or poor pass rush if you prefer.

Do you realize this Chiefs defense with Dorsey and Jackson starting all 16 games finished 6th in the league in pass defense despite having no Eric Berry back there and a passrusher like Justin Houston who wasn't a factor early on.
Did you see those games against Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady (without Eric Berry I remember you)?

Let's hope Dontari Poe can collapse the pocket regularly, if not this year next year, but I definitly think Dorsey and Jackson are a good part of the reason why this defense might already be elite.

I really hope the Chiefs resign Dorsey, he is an underrated player, not a star but real solid.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by LOCOChief

They do their jobs already. Their jobs are to stuff the run and occupy blockers so that Hali, Houston, DJ, Berry etc.... can get to the QB

People will think differently about Dorsey and TJ if Poe pans out in the middle, and I think he'll rape right out of the gate.

No on passing downs they need to be getting to the QB asap. That's there job. Getting penatration & getting double teamed is part of it. There lacking of sacks and getting to the QB is not acceptable, especially at the draft spot they were taken.

[Discuss Thrower]

Poe?

[Quesadilla Joe]

Ronnie Hillman and Brock Osweiler haven't signed their contracts and haven't missed a practice either.

[CupidStunt]

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

Ronnie Hillman and Brock Osweiler haven't signed their contracts and haven't missed a practice either.

No-name RBs and 7ft lumberjack QBs sorta have to show up.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

Ronnie Hillman and Brock Osweiler haven't signed their contracts and haven't missed a practice either.

Woopty shit

[durtyrute]

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