*** Official Detroit Tigers @ Kansas City Royals Game Thread (5/1) ***

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by teedubya

I couldn't watch the game, why did Ned take out Chris Young after only 81 pitches while throwing perfect baseball? Did he request to be taken out? Was his arm hurting?

WTF.

He was on a pitch count. Hasn't thrown more than 50 pitches all year.

[teedubya]

I mean seriously though, **** that. He was pitching a no-hitter. He has been a starter before. Let him pitch until he gives up a hit. He's a pro.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by teedubya

I mean seriously though, **** that. He was pitching a no-hitter. He has been a starter before. Let him pitch until he gives up a hit. He's a pro.

Umm, not this early in the season.. We need him for the long haul, and he was used to throwing limited number of pitches from relief.. Imagine if he went longer and threw out his arm in the 8th after giving up one hit..

Did an amazing job, period..

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by teedubya

I mean seriously though, **** that. He was pitching a no-hitter. He has been a starter before. Let him pitch until he gives up a hit. He's a pro.

Ned said before the game he wanted around 80 pitches. 81 through 5 innings and he just walked the bases loaded so he was obviously losing it a little bit. No way he could have lasted the whole game. Great outing though! Hope that pushes Vargas and Guthrie to step it up.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by teedubya

I mean seriously though, **** that. He was pitching a no-hitter. He has been a starter before. Let him pitch until he gives up a hit. He's a pro.

He wasn't going to throw a complete game no matter what, so it doesn't matter. This team is too good to put a single player's potential accomplishment ahead of the team's best interests.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by teedubya

I mean seriously though, **** that. He was pitching a no-hitter. He has been a starter before. Let him pitch until he gives up a hit. He's a pro.

You must have learned your baseball from Trey Hillman. Remember him? He's the guy who destroyed Gil Meche's career by having him throw 132 pitches in a single game. Meche immediately started having back and shoulder problems. As soon as Meche was able to start again, that one who sucks the penis Hillman left him out on the mound AGAIN for well over 100 pitches. He did it as a big "**** You" to everyone who was blasting him at the time. He was trying to make a point and prove that pitch counts don't matter.

Trey Hillman destroyed Gil Meche's career. He was a good pitcher before that, and he was horrible after that. He retired because of his arm and back problems that began on that day. Trey Hillman should have been shot for that.

We need Chris Young. Let's not destroy his arm in the pursuit of a meaningless stat.

[teedubya]

I watched the Ned presser, and he said "I wasn't even thinking about it [the no hitter]"

[Deberg_1990]

The Herrera/Cabrera battle in the 8th inning was pure awesome.


Baseball doesn't get much better than that

[Al Bundy]

[Prison Bitch]

1. Chris Young: 5ip 9k 0hits. Dayton's ouija board working overtime lately.

2. Colon's range isn't near what AE's is, but he's got great hands out there and he can make routine plays at SS. Wasn't sure he could - that play on Gose in the 8th was outstanding. Guys who can play both middle IF positions are very rare.

3. Infante continues to be a problem. His OPS is 600 and he went 66 AB without taking a single walk to open the year. The manager needs to have a chat with him about wasting so many AB. It's almost impossible that 66 straight times, the pitcher was able to avoid a walk. Not even Greg Maddux could pull that off. Needs to get his act together.

4. Herrera obv struggled in the 8th but I'll give him tons of credit for getting out of it. Those are 2 excellent hitters who could've won that game for them. He worked his ass off vs Cabrera and I'm glad he went nothing but fastball because he was almost guaranteed to walk him if he didn't. (Monty said after the game he's have gone changeup because walking him was better than letting him actually hit the ball - not sure i agree)

[Saul Good]

Nearly every SS can play second base. What's rare about that?

Agree on point 4. Jeff went full idiot there. You don't walk the lead run on base and the tying run into scoring position with Martinez on deck. Worst case scenario, Cabrera puts them up 1.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Nearly every SS can play second base. What's rare about that?

I don't believe that, and I wonder what your evidence is for that claim.


AE has never played 2B, no evidence he'd just walk over there and be good Day 1.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I don't believe that, and I wonder what your evidence is for that claim.


AE has never played 2B, no evidence he'd just walk over there and be good Day 1.

2B requires less range and less arm strength. There's a reason he's never played 2B. He would be the best defensive 2B on the team right now by a mile if we wanted to put him there.

The only play that a 2B had to make that a SS doesn't is the pivot on the DP. I played second base for over a decade...and played it very well. I didn't have the range for SS, while every SS I ever played with could have filled in at 2B and done fine.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

2B requires less range and less arm strength. There's a reason he's never played 2B. He would be the best defensive 2B on the team right now by a mile if we wanted to put him there.

The only play that a 2B had to make that a SS doesn't is the pivot on the DP. I played second base for over a decade...and played it very well. I didn't have the range for SS, while every SS I ever played with could have filled in at 2B and done fine.

I would fully agree SS is way tougher and they do move to 2B esp later in their career. However, my point was about a 2B moving the other way. I don't think Gio or Infante would ever be put out there.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I would fully agree SS is way tougher and they do move to 2B esp later in their career. However, my point was about a 2B moving the other way. I don't think Gio or Infante would ever be put out there.

Of course not. I'm saying that there's nothing rare about finding someone who can play both. All SS are competent at 2B. It may be rare to find someone who is competent at SS playing 2B, but that's because if you're good enough to play SS, you've probably playing SS (unless you're Alex Rodriguez...in which case, you're the best SS in the game but agree to play third so that a shitty defensive SS can stay there and be adored while everyone calls you selfish).