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Old 12-08-2012, 11:54 PM   #1
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I agree with you - there's now too much emphasis on W/L.

In a timely example - Bo Jackson won the Heisman in a year that Auburn lost 4 games and finished something like 5th in their conference.

Won't happen again.

I also agree that Marqise Lee should've been there.

Like I said - I've lost all semblance of give a !@#$ about the Heisman at this point. In fact, I was pretty sure I stopped caring last season when Montee Ball was essentially ignored despite having one of the greatest rushing seasons in NCAA history. Why? Because people didn't think he'd be a great pro.

He led the nation in rushing, had a better YPC than Richardson and scored 39 freakin' touchdowns. And he was a complete afterthought. He finished behind a guy he clearly had a better season than primarily because that guy (Richardson) was a better pro prospect.

The Heisman is a racket at this point.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:03 AM   #2
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The Heisman is an offensive award.

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Old 12-09-2012, 12:43 AM   #3
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:49 AM   #4
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:59 PM   #6
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What a stupid, ****ing cherry-picked stat.

Nevermind that Florida was his first ever game because the L-Tech game got postponed.

Still, in those 4 games he had 1013 yards passing and 308 yards rushing. Good for 330 yards per game. His team also averaged just over 25 points per game in those contests.

Let's take a closer look at this:

Bama: 2nd in scoring defense (10.69), 1st in yardage (246)
A&M was +18 in scoring, and Johnny was +99 by himself in yards (345)

Florida: 3rd (12.92), 5th (283)
A&M was +4 in scoring, and Johnny was -50 in yards (233)

LSU: 11 (16.92), 8 (296)
A&M was +2 in scoring, and Johnny was +6 in yards (302)

MissSt: 28 (22.42), 58 (389.92)
A&M was +15 in scoring, and Johnny was +50 in yards (450)

That's 3 top 10 defenses and a top 50

You could also argue that Ole Miss, Missouri, and Louisiana Tech equals Baylor, Miami, and West Virginia, but whatever. Big XII schedule is designed to have 7-8 winning teams every year.

Let's look at Collin's 8-game competition:

Defensive rankings (yardage, scoring)
OU- 44, 43
Texas-75, 72
OkState- 82, 72
TCU- 18, 35
WVU- 108, 114
Tech- 39, 91
Baylor- 119, 115
Miami- 117, 82

That's 0 top-20 defenses, 2 top-50, and 3 hovering around the bottom of the 120 schools.

Now, you might say, well the Big 12 plays a different style than the SEC and we have great QBs blah blah blah. Go ahead and argue for Doege, Lawrence, the revolving door at OSU, or Ash (lol), but I decided to list the Rush defensive rankings as well.

TCU- 10, 3.28
OSU- 36, 3.73
Texas- 101, 4.40
Baylor- 90, 4.74
WVU- 41, 3.54
OU- 81, 4.79
Miami- 113, 4.97
Tech- 73, 73 4.83

Not much better.

Now you may say, "well the SEC pads stats with a weak OOC schedule." I agree. It's pathetic. But the reality is that the Big XII isn't much better. From those 8 teams, only these teams were opponents that were worth a shit.

Notre Dame (Miami)
Notre Dame (OU)
Arizona (OSU)
Ole Miss (Texas)

From A&M's 4 opponents you had:

Florida State (Florida)
Michigan (Alabama)
Washington (LSU)

K-State- Miami, Missouri St, North Texas
Texas A&M- Louisiana Tech, SMU, Sam Houston, SCstate


In Klein's 8 games, he averaged only 288 yards per game, which was about 40yards short of the Big XII's best defensive team- TCU (330 yards per game), and 5 yards short of what Johnny averaged against three top-10 defenses. Klein also only averaged 3.9 YPC during these games.

Now let's look at Rushing Touchdowns:

Blake Bell errr... I mean Collin Klein had 22

10 were from the 1 yard line
1- 2-4 yards
6- 5-9 yards
2- 10-19 yards
3- 20+ (22, 28, 34)

Johnny Manziel had 19 touchdowns:

2- 1 yard touchdowns
3- 2-4 yards
3- 5-9 yards
4- 10-19 yards
7- 20+ (20, 20, 29, 37, 39, 48, 72)

Johnny, by far, had the more impressive this year. A&M probably would have had 1 or 2 losses in the Big XII, but he may have went for 5000+.

As for Manti... I was never too impressed. Even his biggest INT wasn't an INT. Denard Robinson made his year. Denard Robinson has an awful throwing arm.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:02 AM   #7
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I'm cool with Manziel winning the award. He had a great season and just looking at his stats he was certainly deserving. I just wish they would call the Heisman what it really is, "the offensive MVP award".

There has never been a player that played strictly defense win the award. And anyone who posts a picture of Woodson to dispute this fact is a ****ing moron. Woodson's coaches played him on offense for several plays for the explicit reason of improving his Heisman resume. I wonder what a defensive player has to do to win the Heisman? Suh was worthy and despite all the ND hate, Teo was worthy. 7 ints while still playing strong run defense and displaying unbelievable leadership skills is phenomenal. He deserved to be on that stage and if he would have won there shouldn't have been much argument.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:12 AM   #9
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:38 AM   #10
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Why wait? Klein is going to be available in the next draft!
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Why wait? Klein is going to be available in the next draft!
I've had dumbasses tell me the Chiefs should take him first overall....and they were dead serious
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I've had dumbasses tell me the Chiefs should take him first overall....and they were dead serious
It appears Klein isn't even going to get an invite to the Senior Bowl.

That tells me that scouts don't think much of him as a NFL prospect.
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It appears Klein isn't even going to get an invite to the Senior Bowl.

That tells me that scouts don't think much of him as a NFL prospect.
I love CK, but he's probably not an NFL QB. He just doesn't have the release and arm strength of a starting NFL QB. However, he's a guy you want on your roster. I could play an H-Back/special teams role for sure.
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It appears Klein isn't even going to get an invite to the Senior Bowl.

That tells me that scouts don't think much of him as a NFL prospect.
Not a big shock. His arm isn't nearly NFL-calibre, and he doesn't appear to be athletic enough to play anywhere else.
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Why wait? Klein is going to be available in the next draft!
I'm dead serious , if we get the #1 pick we should take him 1st overall !
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