Chiefs Dorsey vs Pioli, What Say You Now? - Page 7

**Meatloaf** · 03-09-2015, 04:54 PM

It's been a rather interesting couple of weeks. I think it started with the Houston situation where a bunch of you folks felt that Dorsey was a doofus because he didn't lock Houston up last year. Then, I heard, Dorsey sucked because he overpaid Bowe. Then, at least initially, the sky was falling because he didn't wrap up Hudson last year. Then, he had the audacity to sign Mauga and Avant.

Now, we hear that guys are cutting their salaries in order to play for (can you believe it) the Chiefs!

Wasn't much of that happening back when Scooter was chasing candy wrappers, shutting blinds and placing the entire organization on Matt Cassel's rather narrow shoulders.

So, I ask, what say you now? (This is where you can actually say GOOD things about the guys running this outfit now.)

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-09-2015, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

What players did Dorsey add that changed this team's record his first year?

Yeah, really no one other than QB.

And it didn't take a damned genius to figure out our QB's and Coach sucked...

DeVito, Fasano, Avery, Davis, Cooper and that's just off the top of my head.

Jaye Howard is another.

****in' A, Dude. Shut the **** up. You've been embarrassing yourself, repeatedly, all off season.

Do you ever watch the games?

**Rausch** · 03-09-2015, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I give up, Man.

You, Milkman and your lapdog, OnTheWarpath, are just negative about the Chiefs in perpetuity.

No sports team is perfect, especially not the Chiefs. But for the first time since 1989, this team has a real chance to make something happen. Dorsey and Reid inherited a MUCH larger pile of shit than Peterson and Schottenheimer and they've done a pretty good job of turning it around.

I just don't see this.

There isn't a bunch of talent being added.

Our HC and DC have done an outstanding job of squeezing blood from a stone. They've taken scrubs and castoffs and found a way to win.

We didn't add good cheap players - we added scrubs - and our coaches found a way to win games DESPITE losing talent...

**Rausch** · 03-09-2015, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

DeVito, Fasano, Avery, Davis, Cooper and that's just off the top of my head.

Jaye Howard is another.

****in' A, Dude. Shut the **** up. You've been embarrassing yourself, repeatedly, all off season.

Do you ever watch the games?

Do you?

Fasano, Avery, and Cooper were shit. Cooper was so bad last year he was benched. People were begging to cut that garbage ass Fasano that added nothing.

These are scrubs. Cooper is young and still has a chance to become something but just about everyone you mentioned is gone or benched...because they sucked...

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-09-2015, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I just don't see this.

There isn't a bunch of talent being added.

Our HC and DC have done an outstanding job of squeezing blood from a stone. They've taken scrubs and castoffs and found a way to win.

We didn't add good cheap players - we added scrubs - and our coaches found a way to win games DESPITE losing talent...

Then please explain 2-14 to 11-5 when half the starters were replaced.

Sean Smith, Cooper, Fasano, Avery - are you saying they weren't contributors? Schwartz got a $4.5 million dollar deal after his one year stint with the Chiefs.

Demps? Who the **** was Will Demps before 2013 and why did he get more than $2 million from the Giants after his year in KC?

What the **** man? What the **** are you watching on your 19" Sony Trinitron that I can't see on my Sony 70" 4K?

**TribalElder** · 03-09-2015, 10:46 PM

Easiest schedule in centuries

Still didn't win in th post season

This your average team wasn't as good as this average team bullshit is hilarious

Hootie · 03-09-2015, 10:51 PM

I said before last season I thought the plan was to compete in 2015 ... I knew last year was going to be a throw away year and I think that was the plan all along ... the fact we went 9-7 after losing all of those players was pretty awesome, actually (despite the late season choke jobs).

I said it before the Maclin signing ... this team is going to win 10-13 games this year (I'm thinking 11 or 12) and it's going to make a lot of people upset. Hilarious that winning games upsets people.

I know, I know ... Alex Smith. I don't know what Dorsey was thinking when he took over a team with Cassel and Brady Quinn and didn't immediately go out and acquire an Aaron Rodgers ... moron !!!111

Jim Lahey · 03-09-2015, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

What players did Dorsey add that changed this team's record his first year?

Yeah, really no one other than QB.

And it didn't take a damned genius to figure out our QB's and Coach sucked...

Travis Kelce might be a pro bowler next season.
Knile Davis has been a rock when Jamaal gets dinged up.
De'Anthony Thomas will be a key part of our O/Special teams going forward.
Ron Parker for as much shit as he gets, was solid at safety.
Fulton started 16 games and had a decent season.
Fisher did improve a bit last season (not saying much), but hopefully he strives this season.
Gaines could be a starter next season.
Wilson will see the field plenty next season.
Sherman is one of the best.

Dorsey has had 2 drafts. One of Piolis many ****ups was ignoring the importance of depth and role players. That's been one of the main things Dorsey has been addressing since he's been here. If he hits on this next draft & fixes the OL this team should win the west next season assuming Alex doesn't play like the bitch he was last season.

**Rausch** · 03-09-2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then please explain 2-14 to 11-5 when half the starters were replaced.

I just did.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sean Smith, Cooper, Fasano, Avery - are you saying they weren't contributors? Schwartz got a $4.5 million dollar deal after his one year stint with the Chiefs.

Demps? Who the **** was Will Demps before 2013 and why did he get more than $2 million from the Giants after his year in KC?

What the **** man? What the **** are you watching on your 19" Sony Trinitron that I can't see on my Sony 70" 4K?

Cooper had a good rookie year and played like a rookie FA last year.

I can't believe you want to defend Avery and Fasano. Terrible signings.

Smith, Schwartz, A. Smith. Solid.

We have contributors. We need playmakers. DJ is a playmaker. Berry. Houston. Hali. Charles.

Those guys are good players. How many of those players did we add the last two years? Possibly one in Kelcee?

And you expect me to defend some idiot team overspending for our scrubs? You wan't me to explain bad FA signings? Parker will get over paid this offseason as well.

Our coaches took a bunch of scrubs and coached them up. Put them in the right positions to be successful.

Somehow, in your mind, that's being negative...

DenverChief · 03-09-2015, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

DeVito, Fasano, Avery, Davis, Cooper and that's just off the top of my head.

Jaye Howard is another.

****in' A, Dude. Shut the **** up. You've been embarrassing yourself, repeatedly, all off season.

Do you ever watch the games?

McGrath, Parker

**Rausch** · 03-09-2015, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I said before last season I thought the plan was to compete in 2015 ... I knew last year was going to be a throw away year and I think that was the plan all along ... the fact we went 9-7 after losing all of those players was pretty awesome, actually (despite the late season choke jobs).

I agree.

I hated it, but agree...

Jim Lahey · 03-09-2015, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

Easiest schedule in centuries

Still didn't win in th post season

This your average team wasn't as good as this average team bullshit is hilarious

And you probably said we'd win 6 games this past season when you saw our schedule..

**Rausch** · 03-09-2015, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

McGrath, Parker

Again, these aren't good players we discovered, they're castoffs we got contributions out of.

They weren't long term solutions or steals. It's not like we found the next undrafted stud.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-09-2015, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I give up, Man.

You, Milkman and your lapdog, OnTheWarpath, are just negative about the Chiefs in perpetuity.

No sports team is perfect, especially not the Chiefs. But for the first time since 1989, this team has a real chance to make something happen. Dorsey and Reid inherited a MUCH larger pile of shit than Peterson and Schottenheimer and they've done a pretty good job of turning it around.

I'd sure as **** take them over Ryan Grigson, who's proven to be a gigantic pile of whale lard, or those ****tards in San Francisco, who have destroyed their franchise, or the dummies in San Diego, Cleveland, NY Jet, Oakland, Jacksonville, Charlotte, Chicago, Tennessee, Washington, Atlanta or Tampa Bay.

Out of all of the recent changes made in the past four years, I think the Chiefs have the best chance of rising about and making a real charge towards the Super Bowl. Not every decision has worked out but they're well above .500, IMO, with a critical draft just weeks away.

It's way too soon to say they've blown it, yet that doesn't stop people from saying it.

I'm not saying they've blown it, or that they've done a horrible job. I'm just not ready to crown their asses yet.

Getting a team with Justin Houston, Tamba Hali, Dontari Poe, Brandon Flowers, Jamaal Charles, Branden Albert, and Rodney Hudson was, by no means, an unenviable position. I won't even count DJ and Berry due to their injury concerns.

The 2012 Chiefs finishing 2-14 was an aberration thanks to some unfortunate in-game luck and a gestapo culture that the excision of Pioli would have improved for anyone else walking through the door that wasn't from the same bankrupt NE cabal.

FA is the season of perpetual hope. Every team outside of San Fran is probably crowing about the improvements they've made (or will make) right now.

And let's be honest, if you are chastising people for perpetual negativity you should also be prepared to evaluate your own tendency for overrating this team significantly, as you did in 2012.

In the NFL, the difference between 10-6 and 6-10 is just variance. I haven't seen anything to make me think they are significantly better than that.

Big Tedd · 03-09-2015, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

It's not me that's negative. It's the team doing the same stupid garbage they've done for years. For some reason people want to pretend like spending a 1st on a guy to be a back up ON PURPOSE isn't the same stupid shit.

(oh, look there, shit isn't filtered. So it's not filter evasion.)

Even though Pioli drafting b/u players, on purpose, because he felt we'd reached that point was dumb and exactly what we've been doing the last two years.

Trading for someone else's questionable b/u QB was stupid before but now it's building a team.
Drafting players you know won't start - now looking towards the future.
Letting talent walk because they're over paid/contract demands aren't cap friendly.

This is classic Peterson, Pioli, and now Dorsey. The dumbassery hasn't changed - just the attitude of the people watching the same old thing...

OMG you have lost your mind.

Alex isn't a top notch QB, but he isn't a backup either. What on earth were the Chiefs supposed to do? Keep Cassel? Draft Geno? OH yeah. Looks like they are both going to be competing for the same team this year because they both suck.

Drafting players you know won't start? Well, yeah, thats kinda what drafting players is all about. Finding talent to replace the players you think won't be there in the future.

And letting talent walk? Do you pay attention to the rest of the NFL at all? Not one team can keep all of their great players.

Ravens are likely going to let Haloti Ngata walk.
Cowboys are likely going to let DeMarco Murray go
Lions are likely going to let Suh go
Broncos are likely going to let J. Thomas go

Quit bit chin and have some fun with the FACT that the Chiefs are a good team.

Jim Lahey · 03-09-2015, 11:02 PM

So when we pick up guys for cheap and get production out of them, the GM shouldn't get credit for finding these guys because it's all the coaches that get the production out of them?

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Meatloaf Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $4150359	Dorsey vs Pioli, What Say You Now? It's been a rather interesting couple of weeks. I think it started with the Houston situation where a bunch of you folks felt that Dorsey was a doofus because he didn't lock Houston up last year. Then, I heard, Dorsey sucked because he overpaid Bowe. Then, at least initially, the sky was falling because he didn't wrap up Hudson last year. Then, he had the audacity to sign Mauga and Avant. Now, we hear that guys are cutting their salaries in order to play for (can you believe it) the Chiefs! Wasn't much of that happening back when Scooter was chasing candy wrappers, shutting blinds and placing the entire organization on Matt Cassel's rather narrow shoulders. So, I ask, what say you now? (This is where you can actually say GOOD things about the guys running this outfit now.)
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I said before last season I thought the plan was to compete in 2015 ... I knew last year was going to be a throw away year and I think that was the plan all along ... the fact we went 9-7 after losing all of those players was pretty awesome, actually (despite the late season choke jobs). I said it before the Maclin signing ... this team is going to win 10-13 games this year (I'm thinking 11 or 12) and it's going to make a lot of people upset. Hilarious that winning games upsets people. I know, I know ... Alex Smith. I don't know what Dorsey was thinking when he took over a team with Cassel and Brady Quinn and didn't immediately go out and acquire an Aaron Rodgers ... moron !!!111
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Jim Lahey The shit-winds are blowin Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sunnyvale trailer park Casino cash: $10013647	So when we pick up guys for cheap and get production out of them, the GM shouldn't get credit for finding these guys because it's all the coaches that get the production out of them?
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