Chiefs Dorsey vs Pioli, What Say You Now? - Page 6

**Meatloaf** · 03-09-2015, 04:54 PM

It's been a rather interesting couple of weeks. I think it started with the Houston situation where a bunch of you folks felt that Dorsey was a doofus because he didn't lock Houston up last year. Then, I heard, Dorsey sucked because he overpaid Bowe. Then, at least initially, the sky was falling because he didn't wrap up Hudson last year. Then, he had the audacity to sign Mauga and Avant.

Now, we hear that guys are cutting their salaries in order to play for (can you believe it) the Chiefs!

Wasn't much of that happening back when Scooter was chasing candy wrappers, shutting blinds and placing the entire organization on Matt Cassel's rather narrow shoulders.

So, I ask, what say you now? (This is where you can actually say GOOD things about the guys running this outfit now.)

ChiefsCountry · 03-09-2015, 09:39 PM

Pioli inherited the best players when they were young, Dorsey inherited the best players when they were in the prime. Of course Andy Reid is best coach we have since Marty, that makes up the true difference.

Big Tedd · 03-09-2015, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Stamp it on your foreheads: better than bad does not equal good.

IMO this team IS good!! Winning more games than you loose = good.

2013: 11-5, The Chiefs did a total 180 and made the playoffs after one of the worst seasons I can remember.

2014: 9-7, Although they had a worse record and didn't make the playoffs, I would argue that the team improved quite a bit. Do you realize that the Chiefs beat both of the teams that played in the SB?

Hate all you want. THE CHIEFS ARE A REAL NFL TEAM AGAIN.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-09-2015, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Stamp it on your foreheads: better than bad does not equal good.

We can legitimately be a top 3 defense. We have an elite running game. This year, we have receiving targets.

I don't think we go to the next level because of our qb. But our supporting cast if we so much as bring our OL to average, could be really damn good this year.

MMXcalibur · 03-09-2015, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We can legitimately be a top 3 defense. We have an elite running game. This year, we have receiving targets.

I don't think we go to the next level because of our qb. But our supporting cast if we so much as bring our OL to average, could be really damn good this year.

On every Chief fans gravestone.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-09-2015, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mauga's a horrible signing because they paid a guy who is practice squad fodder $8 million over three years. A dollar over the vet minimum is an overpay for that guy.

Mauga's fine. 2014 was essentially his rookie year. If the Chiefs can draft his replacement, he's gone next year. It's all good.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The failure of the OL is not Pioli's fault. Hell, he acquired the only OL we had worth a damn.

What?

He spent a high 3rd rounder on Asamoah, a high 2nd on Hudson, a high 2nd on Allen and 3rd on Stephenson, one pick before Russell Wilson.

Hudson panned out, the other three are extremely questionable. He spent valuable assets on positions that should be no-brainers but failed.

I have no idea how could even state that it's not Pioli's fault.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dorsey spent the #1 overall pick on a soft bitch from a MAC school. If Fisher was a 4th rounder, he would have already been cut.

Oh, come on. Fisher was the #1 tackle on everyone's board. He's outperformed Joekel and Lane Johnson.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but the Chiefs made the logical decision. Draft a potential 10 year Left Tackle or roll the dice on an oft-injured, aging Brandon Albert. Fisher still has three years to prove himself and Albert lived up to his injured billing.

Please, be reasonable.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Allen and Asamoah weren't much, but they were a hell of a lot better than the trash we walked out at guard, and tackle, last year.

Allen was still on the team but like Derrick Johnson and Mike DeVito, was lost early, as was Eric Berry.

Tell me, which team has so much depth that they can replace their starting LG, starting RT, starting DE and All Pro ILB, within the first game, mind you, and still win 9 games?

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And you should care about dead money because every dollar you blow on a dead contract is a dollar you can't roll over.

I have said for a decade that the Salary Cap is a Myth. It's a Myth. The best teams, every stinking year, are up against the cap, yet still sign players.

Finally, FINALLY, the Chiefs are playing that game. Dorsey has an approximate $76 MILLION free next year and even more in 2017. A few million here and there aren't going to make the Chiefs suffer.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-09-2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

Playoffs ... Epic playoff collapse that will live on forever as the standard for bedshitting

Pioli and Haley won the division and lost at home at least to save people gas money

The Chiefs lost Jamaal Charles, Kniles Davis, Brandon Flowers and Donnie Avery in their playoff loss to Indy while Tamba was gassed and Houston was playing with one arm. Alex Smith put up a combined 379 yards.

If you think that's a "normal" collapse, the ganja must be awfully good where you live.

**Rausch** · 03-09-2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Tedd

THE CHIEFS ARE A REAL NFL TEAM AGAIN.

No.

We've started the offseason the right way to head towards being a real team again.

And that's after two years of a net loss of talent, $3itty drafting, and overpaying free agents...

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-09-2015, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Stamp it on your foreheads: better than bad does not equal good.

Better than bad DOES equal GOOD.

Are you telling us that a B+ isn't better than an F-?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-09-2015, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

No.

We've started the offseason the right way to head towards being a real team again.

And that's after two years of a net loss of talent, $3itty drafting, and overpaying free agents...

Dude, you should just quit. You're soooooooooooooo negative towards this team that you need a fresh start.

And for ****'s sake, stop evading the filter.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-09-2015, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Better than bad DOES equal GOOD.

Are you telling us that a B+ isn't better than an F-?

Your logic is equating anything above an F- with good. With the inherited talent and the picks and money spent, it's reasonable to assume that they could have done better than the Dolphins after Parcells took over. They haven't yet, so unless you think that Bill Parcells earned a B+ or higher in his first two years with Miami, I don't see how you could give one to Dorsey.

Jim Lahey · 03-09-2015, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

No.

We've started the offseason the right way to head towards being a real team again.

And that's after two years of a net loss of talent, $3itty drafting, and overpaying free agents...

Yet this team is more than likely going to be right there in the playoff hunt for the 3rd straight year. Damn we ****ing suck.

**Rausch** · 03-09-2015, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, you should just quit. You're soooooooooooooo negative towards this team that you need a fresh start.

It's not me that's negative. It's the team doing the same stupid garbage they've done for years. For some reason people want to pretend like spending a 1st on a guy to be a back up ON PURPOSE isn't the same stupid shit.

(oh, look there, shit isn't filtered. So it's not filter evasion.)

Even though Pioli drafting b/u players, on purpose, because he felt we'd reached that point was dumb and exactly what we've been doing the last two years.

Trading for someone else's questionable b/u QB was stupid before but now it's building a team.
Drafting players you know won't start - now looking towards the future.
Letting talent walk because they're over paid/contract demands aren't cap friendly.

This is classic Peterson, Pioli, and now Dorsey. The dumbassery hasn't changed - just the attitude of the people watching the same old thing...

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-09-2015, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Your logic is equating anything above an F- with good. With the inherited talent and the picks and money spent, it's reasonable to assume that they could have done better than the Dolphins after Parcells took over. They haven't yet, so unless you think that Bill Parcells earned a B+ or higher in his first two years with Miami, I don't see how you could give one to Dorsey.

I give up, Man.

You, Milkman and your lapdog, OnTheWarpath, are just negative about the Chiefs in perpetuity.

No sports team is perfect, especially not the Chiefs. But for the first time since 1989, this team has a real chance to make something happen. Dorsey and Reid inherited a MUCH larger pile of shit than Peterson and Schottenheimer and they've done a pretty good job of turning it around.

I'd sure as **** take them over Ryan Grigson, who's proven to be a gigantic pile of whale lard, or those ****tards in San Francisco, who have destroyed their franchise, or the dummies in San Diego, Cleveland, NY Jet, Oakland, Jacksonville, Charlotte, Chicago, Tennessee, Washington, Atlanta or Tampa Bay.

Out of all of the recent changes made in the past four years, I think the Chiefs have the best chance of rising about and making a real charge towards the Super Bowl. Not every decision has worked out but they're well above .500, IMO, with a critical draft just weeks away.

It's way too soon to say they've blown it, yet that doesn't stop people from saying it.

**Rausch** · 03-09-2015, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Lahey

Yet this team is more than likely going to be right there in the playoff hunt for the 3rd straight year. Damn we ****ing suck.

What players did Dorsey add that changed this team's record his first year?

Yeah, really no one other than QB.

And it didn't take a damned genius to figure out our QB's and Coach sucked...

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-09-2015, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Trading for someone else's questionable b/u QB was stupid before but now it's building a team.

Name the QB the Chiefs passed on since Dorsey and Reid took over.

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