Football The Broncos: I don't see it. - Page 6

Direckshun · 05-02-2012, 05:10 PM

I really don't.

The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies.

I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL.

The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is.

The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose.

Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman.

I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify.

Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about.

Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway.

The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers.

It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better.

And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined.

In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center.

Sorry folks, don't see it.

San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-02-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Let's not forget the "Peyton" factor, which is the fact that the officials will bend over backwards to protect him, and Denver will probably get a lot of ticky-tack defensive holding and PI calls to go their way.

Oh, I'm preparing myself for the ridiculous roughing calls Manning will get.

O.city · 05-02-2012, 08:35 PM

I know our qb situation is shitty, but damn I hope Romeo turns Tamba, Houston, Berry, DJ, Poe, etc lose when we play the Broncos.

If we aren't gonna outscore em, lets knock the shit out of the guy.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

670 yards
540 yards
380 yards
1200 yards

Those are his last 4 years. He's average.

Shit, Peyton Hillis puts up comparable stats.

When he's gotten the bulk of the work, he's been consistently good.

Best YPC of his career last year. If you give him 240+ carries, he's given back 1100+ yards 4 out of 5 seasons.

Why would you even think about including 2009 and 2010? He didn't get more than 110 carries in either season. Pretty disingenuous.

O.city · 05-02-2012, 08:38 PM

At his age, after having the year he di last year carries wise, I'd think he might drop off a touch.

JD10367 · 05-02-2012, 08:39 PM

IF Peyton is 100% healthy--and that's a huge "if"--he immediately makes them a legitimate playoff contender. But they're no Super Bowl locks. And their schedule is frigging brutal. They start with the Steelers, @ Falcons, Texans, Raiders, @ Pats, and @ Chargers. Even with a healthy Peyton, that team could be 1-5 by their bye week. And games after that include @ Cincy, the Chargers again, the Chiefs twice, and @ Baltimore.

-King- · 05-02-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

When he's gotten the bulk of the work, he's been consistently good.

Best YPC of his career last year. If you give him 240+ carries, he's given back 1100+ yards 4 out of 5 seasons.

Why would you even think about including 2009 and 2010? He didn't get more than 110 carries in either season. Pretty disingenuous.

He's not even a top 20 RB. He's average.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-02-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

The same board that claimed before the season 7-9 would be a success with that schedule?

Yep. Before last season, a lot here said 7-9 and that was with a full roster.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

At his age, after having the year he di last year carries wise, I'd think he might drop off a touch.

There's always that possibility. Hell, Chris Johnson is still young and he fell off the ****ing map last year. Could happen to any RB.

Not something you can predict, sounds more like wishful thinking on your part.

Again, we'll see. Should be an interesting division this year.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

He's not even a top 20 RB. He's average.

OK. I guess last year was a fluke.

Just like every other year in which he received 200+ carries.

Marcellus · 05-02-2012, 08:43 PM

Manning will outplay Cassel and KC will still win more games. That's my prediction. Oh and neither team wins a SB which is the goal of course.

Manning has been the best or top 3 in the game most of his career and has 1 SB win. It's not ALL about the QB, it does take a team and Denver, well they ain't that team.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Manning will outplay Cassel and KC will still win more games. That's my prediction. Oh and neither team wins a SB which is the goal of course.

Manning has been the best or top 3 in the game most of his career and has 1 SB win. It's not ALL about the QB, it does take a team and Denver, well they ain't that team.

We can agree on this, for sure.

-King- · 05-02-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

OK. I guess last year was a fluke.

Just like every other year in which he received 200+ carries.

RBs that are for sure better:

Ray Rice
Matt Forte
Adrian Peterson
Arian Foster
Maurice Jones Drew
Chris Johnson
Michael Turner
DeAngelo Williams
Jonathan Stewart
Darren Sproles
Fred Jackson
Reggie Bush
Ahmad Bradshaw
LeSean McCoy
Jamaal Charles
Darren McFadden
Ryan Mathews
Beanie Wells
Frank Gore
Marshawn Lynch
Steven Jackson

Am I wrong on any of these? I might have even left off a few.

And he's averaged 4.1 yards in those years he's had 200+ carries. Hardly a great number.

Marcellus · 05-02-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We can agree on this, for sure.

Cool. Let me ask you this.

Had Manning come to KC do you think he would have had a legit chance at winning a SB in the next 3 years?

Simplicity · 05-02-2012, 08:47 PM

Omfg... Denver blows. /thread. Lock this shit up.

Just Passin' By · 05-02-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BDB

Didn't the Indy team that just finished 2-14 go to the Super Bowl the year before?

No

05-02-2012, 05:10 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4093447	The Broncos: I don't see it. I really don't. The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies. I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL. The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is. The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose. Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman. I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify. Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about. Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway. The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers. It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better. And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined. In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center. Sorry folks, don't see it. San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.
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JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	IF Peyton is 100% healthy--and that's a huge "if"--he immediately makes them a legitimate playoff contender. But they're no Super Bowl locks. And their schedule is frigging brutal. They start with the Steelers, @ Falcons, Texans, Raiders, @ Pats, and @ Chargers. Even with a healthy Peyton, that team could be 1-5 by their bye week. And games after that include @ Cincy, the Chargers again, the Chiefs twice, and @ Baltimore.
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Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $2572662	Manning will outplay Cassel and KC will still win more games. That's my prediction. Oh and neither team wins a SB which is the goal of course. Manning has been the best or top 3 in the game most of his career and has 1 SB win. It's not ALL about the QB, it does take a team and Denver, well they ain't that team.
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