Chiefs Bob Sutton isn't the problem - Page 5

chiefzilla1501 · 04:11 PM

Hearing a lot of criticism of Sutton. Here's something interesting to consider. Sutton has been here 4 years. He's had 3 stretches where he's had to play some really bad cornerbacks:
-8 games with Marcus Cooper in 2013
-3-4 games in 2015 with Sean Smith out on injury, a rookie Marcus Peters, and Jamel Fleming getting picked on
-1 game this year with DJ White

Other than those 12-13 games, you know how many times Sutton gave up more than 20 points? 3 times. That means for 2/3 of the games, we've had a good to phenomenal defense.

For those who say he's shit the bed against great offenses. When he's had a mostly full cast, prior to this year he's done well against Pittsburgh twice, dominated NE (then did halfway decent in the playoffs against Denver), dominated San Diego almost every time, dominated Detroit, did very well against Seattle and Arizona. The only team that's had his number consistently outside of those 12-13 games is Peyton Manning.

I know he's flawed. When he has puke at the #2 CB, he can't adjust. But those who want him fired are spoiled. He's been awesome most of his time in KC.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2016, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Yeah I'm not judging Jones, but we're sitting here talking about the lack of depth at CB and pass rusher while the Chiefs highest draft pick this year is averaging 20 snaps per game.

And it's not like the CB issue came out of nowhere. I'm not the only one that said that the loss of Smith left nothing but unknown players at the position... now people want to say playing a rookie CB is an excuse, like the organization isn't responsible for the team having nothing but a rookie to put out there.

Yet the Chiefs had six interceptions against the Jets, including an interception by a 6th round pick this year.

The Chiefs are only 4 games into the season, while easing back their most needed players on defense in Gaines and Hali, all the while, waiting the return of Justin Houston. Eric Berry is still getting back into football shape, too.

Don't fall into the Claynus hole.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2016, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

easing back their most needed players on defense in Gaines and Hali, all the while, waiting the return of Justin Houston. Eric Berry is still getting back into football shape, too.

And yet some of us were derided for saying these players wouldn't be at 100% to start this season, and the team would suffer for it.

Shocking that we're now in agreement so it can be used as an excuse.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2016, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ASS11

And yet some of us were derided for saying these players wouldn't be at 100% to start this season, and the team would suffer for it.

Shocking that we're now in agreement so it can be used as an excuse.

Shut the **** up, you gigantic, weeping ****.

The ban hammer can't come soon enough.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-06-2016, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Yeah I'm not judging Jones, but we're sitting here talking about the lack of depth at CB and pass rusher while the Chiefs highest draft pick this year is averaging 20 snaps per game.

And it's not like the CB issue came out of nowhere. I'm not the only one that said that the loss of Smith left nothing but unknown players at the position... now people want to say playing a rookie CB is an excuse, like the organization isn't responsible for the team having nothing but a rookie to put out there.

We are criticizing Jones' snap count when he's playing behind Poe, Bailey, and Howard? Are you kidding me?? We drafted a CB number one a year ago and Sutton had Nelson and Gaines going into the season ...

This place can get straight illogical at times

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-06-2016, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ASS11

And yet some of us were derided for saying these players wouldn't be at 100% to start this season, and the team would suffer for it.

Shocking that we're now in agreement so it can be used as an excuse.

You really have zero clue about football. Don't understand strategy, personnel, technique, basically nothing. Just stick to making gifs and being a complete tool on this board.

jspchief · 10-06-2016, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

We are criticizing Jones' snap count when he's playing behind Poe, Bailey, and Howard? Are you kidding me?? We drafted a CB number one a year ago and Sutton had Nelson and Gaines going into the season ...

This place can get straight illogical at times

I'm not criticising Jones' snap count. I'm criticizing the front office decision to use their highest draft pick on a backup when pass rusher and CB were known needs.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-06-2016, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I'm not criticising Jones' snap count. I'm criticizing the front office decision to use their highest draft pick on a backup when pass rusher and CB were known needs.

They had 3 developing CB's and thought they had found someone when they drafted Russell... Jones was the right pick. Imaging going into next season with a hole in your DL or no depth. Far worse problem especially when you consider our run defense has been lacking for 3 years now

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I'm not criticising Jones' snap count. I'm criticizing the front office decision to use their highest draft pick on a backup when pass rusher and CB were known needs.

Which 2016 CB is kicking ass?

WJIII is on IR. Vonn Bell, who I liked, hasn't done dick for NO, one of the worst defenses in the league.

Eli Apple was inactive against the Vikings in a loss Monday night. Jalen Ramsey plays for a terrible defense and a 1-3 shit team with 16 special teams tackles.

Need I go on?

Chief Northman · 10-06-2016, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ASS11

And yet some of us were derided for saying these players wouldn't be at 100% to start this season, and the team would suffer for it.

Shocking that we're now in agreement so it can be used as an excuse.

Wrong again.

Many uttered concern over an aging Hali, an absent Berry in training camp, kid gloves with the likes of Charles and Gaines and a young secondary. The majority were saying 2-2 going into the bye week was realistic if not likely.

Why you and others may have been "derided" as you say has everything to do with the delivery, and less to do with the substance.

Any supportive or positive posts regarding the team you classify under "HOMER", while anything that magnifies the teams flaws you celebrate and cherry pick with your predictable "I told you so" childish behaviour. Anybody can be a fence-sitter.
You have made this your calling card.

**Anyong Bluth** · 10-06-2016, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nonsense.

The Chiefs took the advice of the best sports surgeon in the world.

Doctors aren't infallible.

Thank you. This was discussed at length and 2 docs, my best friend and father, also a trained orthopod, explained it concisely about his injury and surgery timeline. The organization didn’t screw up.
You don't invest 50 - 60 million in something or someone and ignore that investment!

**Anyong Bluth** · 10-06-2016, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's not a surprise to people who complained about not doing anything for our secondary or pass rush before the season even started.

With what $$?

**Anyong Bluth** · 10-06-2016, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Yeah I'm not judging Jones, but we're sitting here talking about the lack of depth at CB and pass rusher while the Chiefs highest draft pick this year is averaging 20 snaps per game.

And it's not like the CB issue came out of nowhere. I'm not the only one that said that the loss of Smith left nothing but unknown players at the position... now people want to say playing a rookie CB is an excuse, like the organization isn't responsible for the team having nothing but a rookie to put out there.

How'd they look @ GB last year under pretty much the same circumstances?

Too bad it never got better when the starters got back or put together a string of wins.

Beef Supreme · 10-06-2016, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

They had 3 developing CB's and thought they had found someone when they drafted Russell... Jones was the right pick. Imaging going into next season with a hole in your DL or no depth. Far worse problem especially when you consider our run defense has been lacking for 3 years now

I don't have to imagine going into next season with a hole in the D-line. I can experience it in real time right now. Every team with a pulse has gashed us right up the gut in the run game.

Chiefnj2 · 10-06-2016, 09:33 AM

No pass rush + inexperienced secondary = big problems for any team.

King_Chief_Fan · 10-06-2016, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Wrong again.

Many uttered concern over an aging Hali, an absent Berry in training camp, kid gloves with the likes of Charles and Gaines and a young secondary. The majority were saying 2-2 going into the bye week was realistic if not likely.

Why you and others may have been "derided" as you say has everything to do with the delivery, and less to do with the substance.

Any supportive or positive posts regarding the team you classify under "HOMER", while anything that magnifies the teams flaws you celebrate and cherry pick with your predictable "I told you so" childish behaviour. Anybody can be a fence-sitter.
You have made this your calling card.

Good punch in the crotch to that knuckle head

10-04-2016, 04:09 PM
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1534497	Bob Sutton isn't the problem Hearing a lot of criticism of Sutton. Here's something interesting to consider. Sutton has been here 4 years. He's had 3 stretches where he's had to play some really bad cornerbacks: -8 games with Marcus Cooper in 2013 -3-4 games in 2015 with Sean Smith out on injury, a rookie Marcus Peters, and Jamel Fleming getting picked on -1 game this year with DJ White Other than those 12-13 games, you know how many times Sutton gave up more than 20 points? 3 times. That means for 2/3 of the games, we've had a good to phenomenal defense. For those who say he's shit the bed against great offenses. When he's had a mostly full cast, prior to this year he's done well against Pittsburgh twice, dominated NE (then did halfway decent in the playoffs against Denver), dominated San Diego almost every time, dominated Detroit, did very well against Seattle and Arizona. The only team that's had his number consistently outside of those 12-13 games is Peyton Manning. I know he's flawed. When he has puke at the #2 CB, he can't adjust. But those who want him fired are spoiled. He's been awesome most of his time in KC. Last edited by chiefzilla1501; 10-04-2016 at 04:11 PM.. Reason: Misleading thread title
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