Chiefs John Dorsey and the Eric Berry decision - Page 5

Direckshun · 11:20 AM

Yet another reason I think John Dorsey was the best GM the Chiefs have ever had is that he seems to be proven right about this team so far when it came to the Eric Berry deal.

Eric Berry cost this team a gigantic chunk of change -- and he's well worth it. He's the best safety in the league and a true locker room leader and the face of the franchise.

I forget where I read it, but wasn't it a rumor that the Berry negotiations were a huge sticking point with Clark Hunt getting worn down on Dorsey?

Berry wanted a massive payday, and Dorsey was balking, on the verge of letting him go. It got to the point, so say the rumors, that Berry wasn't even talking to the team until Clark himself had to step in.

Well, what if Dorsey hadn't paid Berry? And let Berry walk?

Seriously, I'm asking.

Berry played a magnificent game against Gronk, but the Chiefs are 4-0 without him, stifling Wentz, Rivers, Cousins, and Watson.

Obviously we're only 5 games into the season, but isn't John Dorsey looking like he's been proven correct on this call so far?

EDIT: Can a mod fix my thread title?

Please and thank you.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-11-2017, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The reasons I harped about when we were discussing extending Berry’s contract:

Cancer returning
His Achilles (which was a major concern even before his cancer diagnosis)
Needing all pro level play for every year of his contract to get a ROI for a mega deal for a safety.

I’m sure those were Dorsey’s concerns, too.

My concerns also.

thegame214 · 10-11-2017, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Do you even Chiefs, bro?

Berry's "heel" injury stuck with him for much of 2016.

Wrong heel

thegame214 · 10-11-2017, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The reasons I harped about when we were discussing extending Berry’s contract:

Cancer returning
His Achilles (which was a major concern even before his cancer diagnosis)
Needing all pro level play for every year of his contract to get a ROI for a mega deal for a safety.

I’m sure those were Dorsey’s concerns, too.

Different heel bothered him.

Eric is worth every dollar, besides this freak accident.

He will bounce back like DJ

jettio · 10-11-2017, 02:07 PM

What is the source of the information for the story that Dorsey was against signing Eric Berry to a new deal?

jLoy88 · 10-11-2017, 02:16 PM

1/5 of our Defensive salary is being spent on a player that only made it .5 games into the season. Dorsey knew what he was doing.

Chris Meck · 10-11-2017, 02:23 PM

It would appear that the best thing about the Dorsey era is that the scouting got better. How much of that is directly him? How much of that is just that he knew who to hire? Were any of those scouts already here and just got better at their jobs? No idea. Cap management was a problem, though.

At any rate, if we get corner help and draft fatties next year for both lines we should be in good shape for the beginning of the Mahomes era.

**RealSNR** · 10-11-2017, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It would appear that the best thing about the Dorsey era is that the scouting got better. How much of that is directly him? How much of that is just that he knew who to hire? Were any of those scouts already here and just got better at their jobs? No idea. Cap management was a problem, though.

At any rate, if we get corner help and draft fatties next year for both lines we should be in good shape for the beginning of the Mahomes era.

Knowing who to hire IS a direct responsibility of the guy in charge, is it not? If he hires good scouts and they do a good job and the scouting improves, that's what a guy who knows scouting should do.

ThaVirus · 10-11-2017, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thegame214

Wrong heel

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Originally Posted by thegame214

Different heel bothered him.

Eric is worth every dollar, besides this freak accident.

He will bounce back like DJ

Could have been a compensation injury

Chris Meck · 10-11-2017, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Knowing who to hire IS a direct responsibility of the guy in charge, is it not? If he hires good scouts and they do a good job and the scouting improves, that's what a guy who knows scouting should do.

I wasn't arguing.

But at any rate, unless all those scouts jump ship, we should be in good shape going forward.

The biggest issue with Dorsey was/is cap management, and while I still liked him, it is indeed a problem.

Black Bob · 10-11-2017, 06:22 PM

We aren't winning a Super Bowl without Berry. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see us bring him back from IR in January. He's done some amazing things as far as the human body goes and I wouldn't put it past him. Remember, you can bring one guy back now.

Chiefshrink · 10-11-2017, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It would appear that the best thing about the Dorsey era is that the scouting got better. How much of that is directly him? How much of that is just that he knew who to hire? Were any of those scouts already here and just got better at their jobs? No idea. Cap management was a problem, though.

At any rate, if we get corner help and draft fatties next year for both lines we should be in good shape for the beginning of the Mahomes era.

Agreed !!

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-11-2017, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bob

We aren't winning a Super Bowl without Berry. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see us bring him back from IR in January. He's done some amazing things as far as the human body goes and I wouldn't put it past him. Remember, you can bring one guy back now.

This team keeps churning along despite the Eagles, Skins, and Texans throwing everything they have at us. teams deal with injuries all the time but fortunately for this team, our injuries come early in the season where we can get valuable playing time in for the guys who need to step up (Robinson/ Eric Murray)

No way Berry comes back. The rehab process has to be factored into the healing process. Then getting back to limited practice then full practice and then actually being game ready.

**jjchieffan** · 10-11-2017, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bob

We aren't winning a Super Bowl without Berry. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see us bring him back from IR in January. He's done some amazing things as far as the human body goes and I wouldn't put it past him. Remember, you can bring one guy back now.

That would be nice. But 4 months to recover? I don't think so. And it's 2 guys can be brought back, but Nelson will be getting one of those spots soon.

thegame214 · 10-11-2017, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Could have been a compensation injury

I'm sure it could, but Achilles injuries are like what Conley did. Just happens sometimes.

**BossChief** · 10-11-2017, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Why was his achilles a concern?

Is Dorsey a soothsayer?

It was in multiple reports dating back from before his cancer diagnosis even, that his Achilles was becoming weak.

The fact the other Achilles blew in the opener is a HUGE concern because the other one is still weak.

Let’s face it. The Eric Berry deal might turn out to be pretty bad if KC doesn’t get very lucky after this year.

10-10-2017, 10:43 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4093447	John Dorsey and the Eric Berry decision Yet another reason I think John Dorsey was the best GM the Chiefs have ever had is that he seems to be proven right about this team so far when it came to the Eric Berry deal. Eric Berry cost this team a gigantic chunk of change -- and he's well worth it. He's the best safety in the league and a true locker room leader and the face of the franchise. I forget where I read it, but wasn't it a rumor that the Berry negotiations were a huge sticking point with Clark Hunt getting worn down on Dorsey? Berry wanted a massive payday, and Dorsey was balking, on the verge of letting him go. It got to the point, so say the rumors, that Berry wasn't even talking to the team until Clark himself had to step in. Well, what if Dorsey hadn't paid Berry? And let Berry walk? Seriously, I'm asking. Berry played a magnificent game against Gronk, but the Chiefs are 4-0 without him, stifling Wentz, Rivers, Cousins, and Watson. Obviously we're only 5 games into the season, but isn't John Dorsey looking like he's been proven correct on this call so far? EDIT: Can a mod fix my thread title? Please and thank you. Last edited by Direckshun; 10-10-2017 at 11:20 AM..
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1544910	It would appear that the best thing about the Dorsey era is that the scouting got better. How much of that is directly him? How much of that is just that he knew who to hire? Were any of those scouts already here and just got better at their jobs? No idea. Cap management was a problem, though. At any rate, if we get corner help and draft fatties next year for both lines we should be in good shape for the beginning of the Mahomes era.
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Black Bob Veteran Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Mohawk Town Casino cash: $10004900	We aren't winning a Super Bowl without Berry. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see us bring him back from IR in January. He's done some amazing things as far as the human body goes and I wouldn't put it past him. Remember, you can bring one guy back now.
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