Football The Broncos: I don't see it. - Page 43

Direckshun · 05-02-2012, 05:10 PM

I really don't.

The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies.

I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL.

The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is.

The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose.

Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman.

I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify.

Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about.

Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway.

The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers.

It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better.

And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined.

In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center.

Sorry folks, don't see it.

San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.

beach tribe · 05-25-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

In that case, what's your explanation for how he gets more sacks per game?

Go check how many DT had in his rookie season. The Miller number is completely inflated by the small sample size.
I batted .750 after 10 games in HS baseball.

beach tribe · 05-25-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Just noticed this. Albert was ranked 9th for pass blocking efficiency among all tackles, he ranked 3rd among blindside protectors.

This is news to me. WoW. Way to go Albert.

Hammock Parties · 05-25-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

This is news to me. WoW. Way to go Albert.

It's bullshit/PFF are morons/Albert is just average

/AustinChief

aturnis · 05-25-2012, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

It's bullshit/PFF are morons/Albert is just average

/AustinChief

It ain't perfect, but it's a far better indicator than any we have access to. I trust them more than I trust Joe football fan.

beach tribe · 05-25-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

It's bullshit/PFF are morons/Albert is just average

/AustinChief

It's the vast minority of the plays that are subjective in this stat. It carries weight.

Sorter · 05-25-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

It ain't perfect, but it's a far better indicator than any we have access to. I trust them more than I trust Joe football fan.

Is it too late to move him to guard?

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-25-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Is it too late to move him to guard?

Mile High Mania · 05-26-2012, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Orton only took one sack in 3 starts in KC.

That number matches his passing TD total in KC as well.

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Originally Posted by aturnis

How so? Do you know anything about Baldwin? He was injured half the season, and had Tyler Palko throwing to him for half of the half season he played. This is one that will take time to really tell, but ultimately, Baldwin's potential is much higher than Deckers.

As for Hillis being better than McGahee. Don't understand that either. You do realize your teams rushing numbers were inflated by the fact that you ran a triple option right? Your rushing attack will be back to below average this year. McGahee is not a great RB. All in all, the two have a very similar career rushing average yds/rush, with Peyton Hillis having a slight edge.

Baldwin and Hillis... I've addressed these already. McGahee had 3 100+ yard rushing games out of the first 5 games before Tebow took over. McGahee was producing before Tebow.

Baldwin? As you mention - injured rookie with no data set to really compare ... jury is out right now, silly to say he's = to or better than anyone.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-26-2012, 06:29 AM

Willis will be back to 3.7 yards per carry soon enough.

Mile High Mania · 05-26-2012, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Willis will be back to 3.7 yards per carry soon enough.

Possibly... they'll be passing more and I think the rookie will take a huge chunk of the production.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-26-2012, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Possibly... they'll be passing more and I think the rookie will take a huge chunk of the production.

No faith in Slowshon?

**BossChief** · 05-26-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

That number matches his passing TD total in KC as well.

Baldwin and Hillis... I've addressed these already. McGahee had 3 100+ yard rushing games out of the first 5 games before Tebow took over. McGahee was producing before Tebow.

Baldwin? As you mention - injured rookie with no data set to really compare ... jury is out right now, silly to say he's = to or better than anyone.

Decker just dropped another ball.

Dawkins is still wondering where Baldwin is.

Mile High Mania · 05-26-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

No faith in Slowshon?

Never have had faith in the guy. He's done.

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Decker just dropped another ball.

Dawkins is still wondering where Baldwin is.

We'll see what happens with Decker and Thomas in year 3, catching passes from Manning.

Baldwin hasn't proven a thing yet and unfortunately for him, you still have Cassell.

05-02-2012, 05:10 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	The Broncos: I don't see it. I really don't. The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies. I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL. The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is. The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose. Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman. I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify. Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about. Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway. The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers. It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better. And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined. In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center. Sorry folks, don't see it. San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.
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