Chiefs So tired of seeing Brees4MVP - Page 4

dlphg9 · 12-18-2018, 01:29 PM

Yes, another MVP thread. I am selfish and wanted to have my own. It's starting to get a bit annoying with idiot Saints fans and idiot media personalities thinking that Drew Brees deserves the MVP. I did a little break down of the two from this year and it made it even more clear that Mahomes is light years ahead of Drew.

Anyone that thinks Brees is even in the conversation for MVP is a complete idiot. 4 straight games of 203 or less yards, 4 straight games with an interception, 3 straight games with 1 or less passing tds. Alex Smith puts up better numbers than that and he isn't even close to an MVP. Brees has the number 7 scoring defense. A defense that has held their opponent to 20 or less points a game in 10 out of 14 games, so lets not act like Brees is the reason that team is winning.

Patrick Mahomes on the other hand is on pace to have the 2nd best season by a quarterback in history. More than likely he is going to pass for 50 td passes, something only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have done. It took Brady 7 years to do it and Manning 16 seasons to do it. Mahomes is probably going to do it in just his first starting season. Hes also on pace for around 5200 yards, so in his first season as a starter he will have a better season than Drew Brees and Tom Brady have ever had, both have been starting for 17 years. So Brees has the number 7 defense to help him out, but Mahomes isn't that fortunate. He has the number 28 scoring defense. So lets quit acting like Brees has to do everything to help that team win. Any mediocre QB could be on that team and they would win. You want to say that Alex did very well with this team last year. Alex is a decent qb, but take a look at his numbers when a the opponent scores 24+ points (9-42-1). The reason that matters is because the Chiefs Defense has allowed 24 or more points in 8 out of 14 games this year. Thankfully the Chiefs have a stud at qb and is 5-3 in those games.

So the case some people are arguing for Drew Brees. Oh he has a 74.9 completion percent!!1!!! The list of highest single season completion percentages isn't filled with many great QBs, the top 20 list has only has 5 HoF qbs on it and is littered with mediocre QBs, like Sam Bradford, Ken Anderson, Kirk Cousins, Tony Romo, Brian Grese. Only 2 QBs that have won MVP had the highest completion percentage that year, Young and Montana, but Young was also first in TDs and 4th in YDs and Montana was 4th in TDs, 8th in YDs, and was 11-2 as a starter. Some really mediocre qbs have had pretty high completion percentage, so I wouldn't try to back an argument with that stat. Well what about the number of Ints? Well that isn't a MVP worthy stat either. The list of guys who have the least amount of Ints in a season is littered with guys that didn't amount to anything. Hell Steve Deberg has the 2nd lowest ints in a season and Alex Smith had 5 in a season with the 49ers.

Now the case for Patrick Mahomes. He is 1st in TD passes (11 more than 2nd place) and only 5 TDs away from being only the 3rd QB to get to 50. In the top 6 most passing TDs 5 of the players won the MVP that year. The lone exception is in 2011 Drew Brees had 46 passing TDs (good for the 5th most ever) and lost the MVP to Aaron Rodgers who just happened to have 45 TD passes (tied for 6th most ever with Patrick Mahomes). He is also 1st in passing yards and is 88 yards ahead of 2nd place. You would think that having the most yards and touchdowns would mean he would have the most passing attempts, well you would be wrong. He is currently 6th in passing attempts, 64 attempts from Big Ben who has thrown the most passes so far. He also has the 12th best completion percentage at 67.1, which is pretty damn good.

Both players lead the top team in their division. The Saints only have 1 more win than the Chiefs, the Saints have played the 15th hardest schedule and the Chiefs have played the 8th hardest schedule. The Saints' defense is ranked 7th in ppg and the Chiefs is ranked 28th in ppg. So it really just blows my mind how anyone can look at the stats and say that Drew Brees deserves the MVP over Patrick Mahomes.

Best22 · 12-18-2018, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm starting to think that it's a bit annoying that Chiefs fans are bitching endlessly about an individual award that won't be given out for weeks.

Chiefs fans? Lol try a Saints board

They’re obsessed with Mahomes. They actually cheered for the Rams against Mahomes. They valued MVP above Home field. That is insane

Chief fans are pretty chill by comparison

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-18-2018, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

Chiefs fans? Lol try a Saints board

They’re obsessed with Mahomes. They actually cheered for the Rams against Mahomes. They valued MVP above Home field. That is insane

Chief fans are pretty chill by comparison

Being less insane than a maniac is a low threshold.

Mecca · 12-18-2018, 05:20 PM

The Saints would be a winning team as long as their QB wasn't a turnover machine, **** Alex Smith could win a ton there their whole offense goes through their RB's.

Kiimo · 12-18-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

Chiefs fans? Lol try a Saints board

They’re obsessed with Mahomes. They actually cheered for the Rams against Mahomes. They valued MVP above Home field. That is insane

Chief fans are pretty chill by comparison

All the lunatics in the South either move to Florida or New Orleans.

Bump · 12-18-2018, 05:48 PM

I have a feeling they are going to give it to Brees because he hasn't gotten one before and the Saints have the best record. We all know Mahomes deserves it more, we are a losing team and are probably already eliminated from the playoffs without Mahomes but it is what it is. The people who decide these things are going to be biased like the hall of fame is.

chinaski · 12-18-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump

I have a feeling they are going to give it to Brees because he hasn't gotten one before and the Saints have the best record. We all know Mahomes deserves it more, we are a losing team and are probably already eliminated from the playoffs without Mahomes but it is what it is. The people who decide these things are going to be biased like the hall of fame is.

OlineDline · 12-18-2018, 05:53 PM

I'm trying to see how the Chiefs are a "pile of shit" with 33 wins, two division championships, and three playoff appearances in the last three years.

Mahomes has taken the Chiefs from playoff contender to championship contender, but let's not pretend like it's been Cleveland.

Spott · 12-18-2018, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OlineDline

I'm trying to see how the Chiefs are a "pile of shit" with 33 wins, two division championships, and three playoff appearances in the last three years.

Mahomes has taken the Chiefs from playoff contender to championship contender, but let's not pretend like it's been Cleveland.

He hasn’t taken them anywhere yet. This team has regularly won 11 games since Reid has been here. We can’t be considered a contender until we actually win a playoff game.

dls6501 · 12-18-2018, 06:18 PM

Mahomes deserves MVP by a substantial margin. But I have come to terms with the fact that he will not be winning the award. The Brees media train is too hard to stop.

Best22 · 12-18-2018, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

Where would (team) be without (player)? The Saints would be just as poorly off as we would be without Mahomes, and he's got them playing at or above the level the Chiefs are.

I think along with everyone else here that Mahomes should win, but to say Brees doesn't even belong in the conversation as the player most valuable to his team is pretty crazy.

The Saints are better because they have a top 10 defense

Kansas City does not

The defense is the MVP in New Orleans

chiefzilla1501 · 12-18-2018, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Kamara shouldn't have received OROTY over Hunt either.

That didn't really bother me. If brees wins over mahomes, that's highway robbery.

Kiimo · 12-18-2018, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

Mahomes deserves MVP by a substantial margin. But I have come to terms with the fact that he will not be winning the award. The Brees media train is too hard to stop.

Every poll I see has Mahomes far in the lead, the hell you talking about

edit: This is from ESPN, today.

dlphg9 · 12-18-2018, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

Where would (team) be without (player)? The Saints would be just as poorly off as we would be without Mahomes, and he's got them playing at or above the level the Chiefs are.

I think along with everyone else here that Mahomes should win, but to say Brees doesn't even belong in the conversation as the player most valuable to his team is pretty crazy.

Yeah, what would the Saints do if Drew Brees wasn't there to hand the ball off to Kamara or Ingram?! Who could so brilliantly check down to Kamara? The 7th ranked D surely wouldn't be near as good if Brees wasn't playing. Man you're right! The Saints probably wouldn't even win a game with Brees! If you put Alex Smith on the Saints this year they'd easily be 10-4. The Saints have held their opponents to 20 or less points in 10 games this year. Put Alex on the Chiefs this year and they have 5 wins max. Our Defense has held our opponents to 20 or less points just 3 times. No way Alex overcomes that.

You're wrong, the Saints would be just fine without Brees but the Chiefs would be trash without Mahomes. Brees wishes he could hold Mahomes jock strap. So once again, you're wrong. Idiot.

dlphg9 · 12-18-2018, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

The Saints are better because they have a top 10 defense

Kansas City does not

The defense is the MVP in New Orleans

Also the RBs

chiefzilla1501 · 12-18-2018, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Every poll I see has Mahomes far in the lead, the hell you talking about

Polls don't mean jackshit. So far the media has been trying to find anyone but Mahomes. Even hearing Andrew luck and Philip rivers, which is absurd. You hear all kinds of narratives about mahomes and his supporting cast or "turnover machine." almost nobody in the media will knock on brees, even after the last shitty 3 games. I think mahomes is for some incredible reason the underdog.

12-18-2018, 01:29 PM
dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $1869653	So tired of seeing Brees4MVP Yes, another MVP thread. I am selfish and wanted to have my own. It's starting to get a bit annoying with idiot Saints fans and idiot media personalities thinking that Drew Brees deserves the MVP. I did a little break down of the two from this year and it made it even more clear that Mahomes is light years ahead of Drew. Anyone that thinks Brees is even in the conversation for MVP is a complete idiot. 4 straight games of 203 or less yards, 4 straight games with an interception, 3 straight games with 1 or less passing tds. Alex Smith puts up better numbers than that and he isn't even close to an MVP. Brees has the number 7 scoring defense. A defense that has held their opponent to 20 or less points a game in 10 out of 14 games, so lets not act like Brees is the reason that team is winning. Patrick Mahomes on the other hand is on pace to have the 2nd best season by a quarterback in history. More than likely he is going to pass for 50 td passes, something only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have done. It took Brady 7 years to do it and Manning 16 seasons to do it. Mahomes is probably going to do it in just his first starting season. Hes also on pace for around 5200 yards, so in his first season as a starter he will have a better season than Drew Brees and Tom Brady have ever had, both have been starting for 17 years. So Brees has the number 7 defense to help him out, but Mahomes isn't that fortunate. He has the number 28 scoring defense. So lets quit acting like Brees has to do everything to help that team win. Any mediocre QB could be on that team and they would win. You want to say that Alex did very well with this team last year. Alex is a decent qb, but take a look at his numbers when a the opponent scores 24+ points (9-42-1). The reason that matters is because the Chiefs Defense has allowed 24 or more points in 8 out of 14 games this year. Thankfully the Chiefs have a stud at qb and is 5-3 in those games. So the case some people are arguing for Drew Brees. Oh he has a 74.9 completion percent!!1!!! The list of highest single season completion percentages isn't filled with many great QBs, the top 20 list has only has 5 HoF qbs on it and is littered with mediocre QBs, like Sam Bradford, Ken Anderson, Kirk Cousins, Tony Romo, Brian Grese. Only 2 QBs that have won MVP had the highest completion percentage that year, Young and Montana, but Young was also first in TDs and 4th in YDs and Montana was 4th in TDs, 8th in YDs, and was 11-2 as a starter. Some really mediocre qbs have had pretty high completion percentage, so I wouldn't try to back an argument with that stat. Well what about the number of Ints? Well that isn't a MVP worthy stat either. The list of guys who have the least amount of Ints in a season is littered with guys that didn't amount to anything. Hell Steve Deberg has the 2nd lowest ints in a season and Alex Smith had 5 in a season with the 49ers. Now the case for Patrick Mahomes. He is 1st in TD passes (11 more than 2nd place) and only 5 TDs away from being only the 3rd QB to get to 50. In the top 6 most passing TDs 5 of the players won the MVP that year. The lone exception is in 2011 Drew Brees had 46 passing TDs (good for the 5th most ever) and lost the MVP to Aaron Rodgers who just happened to have 45 TD passes (tied for 6th most ever with Patrick Mahomes). He is also 1st in passing yards and is 88 yards ahead of 2nd place. You would think that having the most yards and touchdowns would mean he would have the most passing attempts, well you would be wrong. He is currently 6th in passing attempts, 64 attempts from Big Ben who has thrown the most passes so far. He also has the 12th best completion percentage at 67.1, which is pretty damn good. Both players lead the top team in their division. The Saints only have 1 more win than the Chiefs, the Saints have played the 15th hardest schedule and the Chiefs have played the 8th hardest schedule. The Saints' defense is ranked 7th in ppg and the Chiefs is ranked 28th in ppg. So it really just blows my mind how anyone can look at the stats and say that Drew Brees deserves the MVP over Patrick Mahomes.
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12-18-2018, 05:20 PM	#48
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12-18-2018, 05:48 PM	#50
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12-18-2018, 05:53 PM	#52
OlineDline Starter Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Nebraska Casino cash: $10000400	I'm trying to see how the Chiefs are a "pile of shit" with 33 wins, two division championships, and three playoff appearances in the last three years. Mahomes has taken the Chiefs from playoff contender to championship contender, but let's not pretend like it's been Cleveland.
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12-18-2018, 06:18 PM	#54
dls6501 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $9960375	Mahomes deserves MVP by a substantial margin. But I have come to terms with the fact that he will not be winning the award. The Brees media train is too hard to stop.
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