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**Baby Lee** · 08-10-2016, 06:23 AM

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BlackOp · 08-10-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Hah. No.

Without Ware...Miller disappears a lot. I'd say when healthy, they are a wash. Miller was playing for a contract in the SB...much like Houston was when he had 22 sacks.

I dont think anyone would argue that Hali is better than Ware...at least he was. Lining Houston opposite of a healthy Ware would be a nightmare.

If Wares back issues remain...Miller's production is going to dip. He's kind of emo too...so Houston has that advantage over him.

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 08-10-2016, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Without Ware...Miller disappears a lot. I'd say when healthy, they are a wash. Miller was playing for a contract in the SB...much like Houston was when he had 22 sacks.

I dont think anyone would argue that Hali is better than Ware...at least he was. Lining Houston opposite of a healthy Ware would be a nightmare.

If Wares back issues remain...Miller's production is going to dip.

What parallel dimension is this where the Raiders are getting props for something?

**Gonzo** · 08-10-2016, 11:52 AM

Denver will be an 8-8 or 9-7 team this year...

****ing Oakland scares me more than them. They will either be lights-out awesome or a complete shit show.

It's a shame Al Davis isn't around to **** it up.

BlackOp · 08-10-2016, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon

What parallel dimension is this where the Raiders are getting props for something?

Maybe the same one where you found anything pertaining to the Raiders in my post?

BlackOp · 08-10-2016, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

Meh, I'd go as follows:

1. Panthers
2. Cards
3. Pats, (with Brady)
4. Packers
5. Hawks
6. Steelers (but that's suspect)
7. Chiefs
8. Vikes
9. Raiders (Suspect as well)
10. Bengals (prepare for self destruction)
11. Donks
12. Texans
13. Bills
14. Skins
15. Jags (playoff year for them?)
16. Colts (meh)
17. Jets
18. Giants
19. Bucs
20. Ravens
21. Phins
22. Cowboys
23. Falcons
24. Chargers (Never count Rivers out)
25. Eagles
26. Rams
27. Saints (what happened?)
28. Bears
29. Lions
30. Titans
31. Browns (they may surprise)
32. 49ers

That's pretty good....maybe flip the Jets (Forte)/Bills...Colts to #14. I have Pats, Chiefs and Steelers and the top 3 AFC teams. Steelers lost some offensive ammo with suspensions...I like the Cards/Hawks as NFC Champs.

It'll come down to December health...

O.city · 08-10-2016, 12:14 PM

Denver's d will still be good. The Texans will be pretty good if osweiler is ok.

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 08-10-2016, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

Denver will be an 8-8 or 9-7 team this year...

****ing Oakland scares me more than them. They will either be lights-out awesome or a complete shit show.

It's a shame Al Davis isn't around to **** it up.

I don't think they'll be a disaster. They were 7-9 last year. I believe 5 of those games they lost by a touchdown or less. They've made some major upgrades on the defense and Osemele to bolster the O line. I'm not saying Super Bowl, but I can't see why they would be worse. I don't think at least 9 wins is unreasonable (of course, barring catastrophic injuries).

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 08-10-2016, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Maybe the same one where you found anything pertaining to the Raiders in my post?

I quoted the wrong guy, I meant to quote Gonzo. My bad. I owe you a Coke.

Can we still be pals?

**jjchieffan** · 08-10-2016, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon

I quoted the wrong guy, I meant to quote Gonzo. My bad. I owe you a Coke.

Can we still be pals?

LOL. That makes sense. You had me confused too.

And Gonzo, quit giving credit to the Raiders. We can't be encouraging the Raider fans around here. They will become completely unbearable.

Hoopsdoc · 08-10-2016, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

That's pretty good....maybe flip the Jets (Forte)/Bills...Colts to #14. I have Pats, Chiefs and Steelers and the top 3 AFC teams. Steelers lost some offensive ammo with suspensions...I like the Cards/Hawks as NFC Champs.

It'll come down to December health...

I'd put the Colts somewhere in the same spot, 10-14 range.

I also think the Seahawks should be top 5.

Mile High Mania · 08-10-2016, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Our offense seems to do pretty well against their defense as well.

Jamaal had a field day against them at Arrowhead last year and West had a good day in Denver.

We score more points on them than most teams.

In the KC win, 25% of the yardage for the whole game gained was on the single 80 yard TD. The bulk of it was a death by Kicker. In the KC loss, Charles had 125 yards, a TD and the big fumble to lose it at the end. Not sure that's a field day.

Overall, KC did play well in both games vs Denver and the teams that lost the turnover battle lost the games, both in their own house.

In the loss in KC -
KC offense scored 17 points
0-7 on 3rd down
10 out of 13 drives ended in a turnover, punt or end of half

In the KC win -
KC offense had 5 FGs and two TDs
4-16 on 3rd down
7 of 14 drives ended in a turnover, punt or end of half

That's a total of 4 for 23 on 3rd downs and 17 of 27 drives ending in failure.

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

27 PPG Virus

See above, again ... KC could have won both games, I've never denied that, but they played horribly @ KC and ultimately made a dumb call to close that one out. They dominated Peyton in the win, and had a great day from their kicker, but it was no offensive masterpiece.

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

I was speaking in context of the past few seasons...Manning was responsible for Denver owning the division. It was him and him alone...when he started to show cracks, KC beat them up.

That's over now...teams have had an entire off-season to analyze how Wade's scheme was being implemented with Fox's personnel.

Yep, they beat up Peyton and that had to feel good. That defense still limited KC's offense. Yes, they kicked a whole lot of points and got a nice 80 yard TD by West in the 2nd game. But, let's not act like the Broncos defense went to sleep vs KC, because they did not.

This is going to be a fun season. I don't know which QB will be walking upright for Denver by the time our teams play each other, but it's not going to be safe around here if KC loses a game to Denver this season.

vailpass · 08-10-2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

How can you even argue that the KC defense is not just as good as Denver? KC and Denver were the top 2 defenses last year and our only real loss was Sean Smith, but I'm confident in our young CB's to step up. As for the wide receivers, Thomas and Sanders are good receivers, but they have Buttfumble feeding them the ball instead of Manning this year. If you don't see their production dropping drastically, then you are in denial.

Denver's d-backfield is >>>>>KC.
No need to go any further there though we can if you want.

Oh, I see what you meant. My bad. I thought you were saying WR talent level was equal but you were saying lack of QB will hurt their performance.
That is possible though only the season will tell.

ThaVirus · 08-10-2016, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

In the KC win, 25% of the yardage for the whole game gained was on the single 80 yard TD. The bulk of it was a death by Kicker. In the KC loss, Charles had 125 yards, a TD and the big fumble to lose it at the end. Not sure that's a field day.

Overall, KC did play well in both games vs Denver and the teams that lost the turnover battle lost the games, both in their own house.

In the loss in KC -
KC offense scored 17 points
0-7 on 3rd down
10 out of 13 drives ended in a turnover, punt or end of half

In the KC win -
KC offense had 5 FGs and two TDs
4-16 on 3rd down
7 of 14 drives ended in a turnover, punt or end of half

That's a total of 4 for 23 on 3rd downs and 17 of 27 drives ending in failure.

17 points scored on a night in which they turned the ball over 5 times. That's pretty good.

29 points in Denver. That's pretty good.

That 80 yard play still counted and Jamaal was running all over your defense.

Mile High Mania · 08-10-2016, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

17 points scored on a night in which they turned the ball over 5 times. That's pretty good.

29 points in Denver. That's pretty good.

That 80 yard play still counted and Jamaal was running all over your defense.

Sure, scoring 17 points on 3 out of 13 drives is solid.

29 on the road is great. And, yes - that play counts.

My point was focused more on the comment about how well KC plays against Denver. I don't think there was a lot of consistency from either team, both had issues with turnovers in the losses and both made a few big plays. Other than that, nothing special.

ThaVirus · 08-10-2016, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Sure, scoring 17 points on 3 out of 13 drives is solid.

29 on the road is great. And, yes - that play counts.

My point was focused more on the comment about how well KC plays against Denver. I don't think there was a lot of consistency from either team, both had issues with turnovers in the losses and both made a few big plays. Other than that, nothing special.

Going from memory, your team allowed something like 19 PPG last season (probably a bit less once you factor in defensive TDs scored against you). We scored 17 on you in a contest in which we turned the ball over 5 times and 29 in another contest.

In 2 games we averaged 24 PPG against your defense. That's pretty good.

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