Chiefs ESPN Kiper's Ranking NFL's top 20 rookies (so far) - Page 4

**Trivers** · 09-24-2015, 09:52 AM

Ridiculously early to be ranking....but still....

2 of the top 3.....

Anybody having access to the full list can list the rest.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insid...e-rankings-nfl

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And we're off once again. For the past few seasons, I've been ranking the rookies, a true test of patience for me -- notice how they aren't in the same order as the final Big Board before the draft. But it's a fun exercise as we see over and over when it comes to rookies, it's not just about talent, but about fit, need and how quickly players develop according to plan.

Here are the parameters, same as always:

This is a measure for all games this season, not just last week.

Total snap count matters. Staying on the field is a measure of value.

Positional value matters, but overall performance and impact on the team matter more.

Relative value matters. I ask: Would this player be a starter on most teams or on a good team?

Here's my latest ranking of the top 20 rookies in the NFL.

1. Marcus Peters, CB, Kansas City Chiefs

Heading into the draft, I wrote "On tape alone, he has an argument as the top cornerback in the class." Peters looks like it so far. He has an interception in each of his first two games, including a pick-six against Peyton Manning in Week 2. So far, so good.

2. Marcus Mariota, QB, Tennessee Titans

The Week 2 loss in Cleveland was a step down from his Week 1 explosion against Tampa Bay, but Mariota has a 6/0 TD/INT ratio so far and has already dispelled any notion the Titans are only starting him because they need to justify the high pick. He belongs.

3. Mitch Morse, C, Kansas City Chiefs

I knew the Chiefs were interested in Morse going into the draft, but I can tell you they had him rated a lot higher than I did. This is a case of them seeing a perfect fit, and Morse has looked the part of a veteran through two games.

Eleazar · 09-24-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Shut up shut up shut up. #1 problem with this site is nobody can post something positive without this shit popping up from the naysayers. Shut up.

Shut.

Up.

This

FD · 09-24-2015, 03:03 PM

Here is the full list:

1. Marcus Peters, CB, Kansas City Chiefs

Heading into the draft, I wrote: "On tape alone, he has an argument as the top cornerback in the class." Peters looks like it so far. He has an interception in each of his first two games, including a pick-six against Peyton Manning in Week 2. So far, so good.

2. Marcus Mariota, QB, Tennessee Titans

The Week 2 loss in Cleveland was a step down from his Week 1 explosion against Tampa Bay, but Mariota has a 6-to-zero TD-INT ratio,and has already dispelled any notion the Titans are starting him only because they need to justify the high pick. He belongs.

3. Mitch Morse, C, Kansas City Chiefs

I knew the Chiefs were interested in Morse going into the draft, but I can tell you they had him rated a lot higher than I did. This is a case of them seeing a perfect fit, and Morse has looked the part of a veteran through two games.

4. Jameis Winston, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Sure, he gets a little bump on positional value, but after a really bad start, Winston has been pretty good in six of eight NFL quarters so far. His play on Sunday in the Superdome was really impressive. He'll have his ups and downs, especially as the Bucs get their offensive line worked out, but the talent is there, and more consistent results will follow.

5. Henry Anderson, DE, Indianapolis Colts

I'll be the first to say I underrated Anderson if he keeps this up. Upside was a big part of the question -- he's already 24 -- but he doesn't need to improve at all to be one of the top rookies at this rate. He'll have the splash plays but should be steady (particularly against the run) in the meantime.

6. Kwon Alexander, MLB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

No, he's not Lavonte David, but Alexander fits the profile in some ways as the athletic linebacker who plays lighter than most but makes up for it with instincts and the ability to find the ball. Good start for the fourth-rounder.

7. Ronald Darby, CB, Buffalo Bills

The talent far surpasses the draft slot, and Darby could prove to be a steal if he takes care of business off the field. An immediate starter, Darby is clearly a player coach Rex Ryan believes can be a stud. He's being challenged early.

8. Vic Beasley Jr., DE, Atlanta Falcons

In the final Big Board before the draft, I wrote: "If you just set him loose as a pass-rusher, I think the production will be there." So far, so good. Beasley needs to be graded on more than splash plays, but he's going to bring a ton of pressure if you don't get the ball out early.

9. Leonard Williams, DE, New York Jets

Williams is still more of a run defender than he is a consistent force against the pass. But it's a credit to the guy who was No. 1 on my board that the Jets are playing without Sheldon Richardson and still look capable of dominating up front. He was a steal at No. 6 overall.

10. Danny Shelton, DT, Cleveland Browns

Shelton had a great camp and has started strong. You just don't see rookies who can consistently hold their own against double-teams, but Shelton is playing like the Browns could have hoped so far.

The next 10

11. Hau'oli Kikaha, DE/OLB, New Orleans Saints

Yep, Todd liked him better than I did, and while Kikaha is benefiting from a need to plug him in right away, he's holding his own.

12. Amari Cooper, WR, Oakland Raiders

I know the production is there -- 12 catches through two games, including a big game against Baltimore in Week 2 -- but he needs to limit the drops. As I suspected, he's going to be really dangerous after the catch, and the Raiders are going to simply swing the ball over to him when corners are playing off and giving him space.

13. Ali Marpet, OG, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

The Bucs are relying on him early, and Marpet is holding his own. Amazing he was blocking at the Division III level at this time a year ago.

14. Stephone Anthony, ILB, New Orleans Saints

Another player who was drafted under the assumption he could step in right away, Anthony has hits and misses but is off to a good start.

15. Matt Jones, RB, Washington Redskins

He gets bonus points for not only having a huge game on Sunday, but for doing so against a great Rams front. Star potential is obvious.

16. Tyler Lockett, WR/KR/PR, Seattle Seahawks

If you included the preseason, Lockett is probably at or near No. 1. He's one of the steals of the draft, and I expect the Seahawks to make him a bigger focus in the passing game. Get him the ball, and big plays will follow.

17. Brandon Scherff, OG, Washington Redskins

He had some great moments on Sunday against the Rams and is likely to stay at guard, which is what we suspected when he was taken at No. 5 overall. The Washington offensive line is making strides.

18. David Andrews, C, New England Patriots

Undrafted out of Georgia, Andrews looks like a great find for the Patriots so far, already holding down the starting spot.

19. Ameer Abdullah, RB/KR, Detroit Lions

He just needs the touches. Abdullah is capable of big plays if he finds a little space, and Detroit has already seen some of the explosiveness.

20. Jeremiah Poutasi, OT, Tennessee Titans

Two weeks, one good performance and one not-so-good performance. Poutasi could be a steal as a third-rounder.

keg in kc · 09-24-2015, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Shut up shut up shut up. #1 problem with this site is nobody can post something positive without this shit popping up from the naysayers. Shut up.

Shut.

Up.

#1 problem with this site is the kind of people who joined in the last five or six years

**Dave Lane** · 09-24-2015, 08:25 PM

You #1 in our true fan poll.

xztop123 · 09-24-2015, 08:39 PM

Peters looks extremely fast on the field. Surprisingly so.

milkman · 09-24-2015, 08:41 PM

You want to keep Manning from beating you with a late game winning drive?

Pressure.

Bob Sutton sent one blitz on that last drive, and Manning threw the worst lame duck pass of the night.

Bob Sutton dropped Houston into coverage on almost every play in that last drive.

You give Manning time in the pocket, even this old ass, noodle arm version Manning, he's going to rape you.

Brock · 09-24-2015, 08:47 PM

They were getting heat on manning all night. There really was no excuse for leaving the back half of the defense exposed like that late in the game nor for putting that kid in a position where he was going to look incompetent. If he can't do the job, ****ing help him.

TEX · 09-24-2015, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

#1 problem with this site is the kind of people who joined in the last five or six years

REP! Exactly the case. Many of the good members left as a result of the influx of morons.

CoMoChief · 09-24-2015, 09:41 PM

It was still criminally ****ing stupid to pass on Tyler Lockett in the 2nd rd.

Morse could have been had in the 3rd rd. Even though the pick may indeed work out, which I guess in the end is all that matters, but Lockett is going to be a good player and is a true slot WR unlike wasting time w/ DAT, and his ceiling is much higher than Albert Wilson's.

1. CB Marcus Peters
2. WR Tyler Lockett
3. C Mitch Morse
3. WR Chris Conley
4. OT TJ Clemmings
5. OL La'El Collins

BOOM!!! Chiefs win the draft by leaps and bounds. Kiss Eric Fisher's ****in' ass goodbye!

Seriously though how kickass would that draft be?

Saccopoo · 09-24-2015, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

It was still criminally ****ing stupid to pass on Tyler Lockett in the 2nd rd.

Morse could have been had in the 3rd rd. Even though the pick may indeed work out, which I guess in the end is all that matters, but Lockett is going to be a good player and is a true slot WR unlike wasting time w/ DAT, and his ceiling is much higher than Albert Wilson's.

1. CB Marcus Peters
2. WR Tyler Lockett
3. C Mitch Morse
3. WR Chris Conley
4. OT TJ Clemmings
5. OL La'El Collins

BOOM!!! Chiefs win the draft by leaps and bounds. Kiss Eric Fisher's ****in' ass goodbye!

Seriously though how kickass would that draft be?

Sucks.

suzzer99 · 09-24-2015, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

You want to keep Manning from beating you with a late game winning drive?

Pressure.

Bob Sutton sent one blitz on that last drive, and Manning threw the worst lame duck pass of the night.

Bob Sutton dropped Houston into coverage on almost every play in that last drive.

You give Manning time in the pocket, even this old ass, noodle arm version Manning, he's going to rape you.

He was getting most throws off in 1.5 seconds or less. Pressure might have helped but we have to be able to cover receivers for that long.

Pitt Gorilla · 09-24-2015, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

It was still criminally ****ing stupid to pass on Tyler Lockett in the 2nd rd.

Morse could have been had in the 3rd rd. Even though the pick may indeed work out, which I guess in the end is all that matters, but Lockett is going to be a good player and is a true slot WR unlike wasting time w/ DAT, and his ceiling is much higher than Albert Wilson's.

1. CB Marcus Peters
2. WR Tyler Lockett
3. C Mitch Morse
3. WR Chris Conley
4. OT TJ Clemmings
5. OL La'El Collins

BOOM!!! Chiefs win the draft by leaps and bounds. Kiss Eric Fisher's ****in' ass goodbye!

Seriously though how kickass would that draft be?

Why do people say stupid **** like this?

**New World Order** · 09-24-2015, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Wait I read on CP that Dorsey isn't a fantastic talent evaluator bc he screwed up the #1 overall pick in the worst draft class ever

Took him 3 drafts to get our first round pick right, but at least he did it.

Brock · 09-24-2015, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Why do people say stupid **** like this?

Other teams tend to notice a guy like that I think.

Should have traded up to get lockett though.

Pitt Gorilla · 09-24-2015, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

Other teams tend to notice a guy like that I think.

Should have traded up to get lockett though.

Yeah, he'd be a great one to have.

09-24-2015, 09:52 AM
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09-24-2015, 03:03 PM	#47
FD Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Casino cash: $9482813	Here is the full list: 1. Marcus Peters, CB, Kansas City Chiefs Heading into the draft, I wrote: "On tape alone, he has an argument as the top cornerback in the class." Peters looks like it so far. He has an interception in each of his first two games, including a pick-six against Peyton Manning in Week 2. So far, so good. 2. Marcus Mariota, QB, Tennessee Titans The Week 2 loss in Cleveland was a step down from his Week 1 explosion against Tampa Bay, but Mariota has a 6-to-zero TD-INT ratio,and has already dispelled any notion the Titans are starting him only because they need to justify the high pick. He belongs. 3. Mitch Morse, C, Kansas City Chiefs I knew the Chiefs were interested in Morse going into the draft, but I can tell you they had him rated a lot higher than I did. This is a case of them seeing a perfect fit, and Morse has looked the part of a veteran through two games. 4. Jameis Winston, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Sure, he gets a little bump on positional value, but after a really bad start, Winston has been pretty good in six of eight NFL quarters so far. His play on Sunday in the Superdome was really impressive. He'll have his ups and downs, especially as the Bucs get their offensive line worked out, but the talent is there, and more consistent results will follow. 5. Henry Anderson, DE, Indianapolis Colts I'll be the first to say I underrated Anderson if he keeps this up. Upside was a big part of the question -- he's already 24 -- but he doesn't need to improve at all to be one of the top rookies at this rate. He'll have the splash plays but should be steady (particularly against the run) in the meantime. 6. Kwon Alexander, MLB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers No, he's not Lavonte David, but Alexander fits the profile in some ways as the athletic linebacker who plays lighter than most but makes up for it with instincts and the ability to find the ball. Good start for the fourth-rounder. 7. Ronald Darby, CB, Buffalo Bills The talent far surpasses the draft slot, and Darby could prove to be a steal if he takes care of business off the field. An immediate starter, Darby is clearly a player coach Rex Ryan believes can be a stud. He's being challenged early. 8. Vic Beasley Jr., DE, Atlanta Falcons In the final Big Board before the draft, I wrote: "If you just set him loose as a pass-rusher, I think the production will be there." So far, so good. Beasley needs to be graded on more than splash plays, but he's going to bring a ton of pressure if you don't get the ball out early. 9. Leonard Williams, DE, New York Jets Williams is still more of a run defender than he is a consistent force against the pass. But it's a credit to the guy who was No. 1 on my board that the Jets are playing without Sheldon Richardson and still look capable of dominating up front. He was a steal at No. 6 overall. 10. Danny Shelton, DT, Cleveland Browns Shelton had a great camp and has started strong. You just don't see rookies who can consistently hold their own against double-teams, but Shelton is playing like the Browns could have hoped so far. The next 10 11. Hau'oli Kikaha, DE/OLB, New Orleans Saints Yep, Todd liked him better than I did, and while Kikaha is benefiting from a need to plug him in right away, he's holding his own. 12. Amari Cooper, WR, Oakland Raiders I know the production is there -- 12 catches through two games, including a big game against Baltimore in Week 2 -- but he needs to limit the drops. As I suspected, he's going to be really dangerous after the catch, and the Raiders are going to simply swing the ball over to him when corners are playing off and giving him space. 13. Ali Marpet, OG, Tampa Bay Buccaneers The Bucs are relying on him early, and Marpet is holding his own. Amazing he was blocking at the Division III level at this time a year ago. 14. Stephone Anthony, ILB, New Orleans Saints Another player who was drafted under the assumption he could step in right away, Anthony has hits and misses but is off to a good start. 15. Matt Jones, RB, Washington Redskins He gets bonus points for not only having a huge game on Sunday, but for doing so against a great Rams front. Star potential is obvious. 16. Tyler Lockett, WR/KR/PR, Seattle Seahawks If you included the preseason, Lockett is probably at or near No. 1. He's one of the steals of the draft, and I expect the Seahawks to make him a bigger focus in the passing game. Get him the ball, and big plays will follow. 17. Brandon Scherff, OG, Washington Redskins He had some great moments on Sunday against the Rams and is likely to stay at guard, which is what we suspected when he was taken at No. 5 overall. The Washington offensive line is making strides. 18. David Andrews, C, New England Patriots Undrafted out of Georgia, Andrews looks like a great find for the Patriots so far, already holding down the starting spot. 19. Ameer Abdullah, RB/KR, Detroit Lions He just needs the touches. Abdullah is capable of big plays if he finds a little space, and Detroit has already seen some of the explosiveness. 20. Jeremiah Poutasi, OT, Tennessee Titans Two weeks, one good performance and one not-so-good performance. Poutasi could be a steal as a third-rounder.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8012254	It was still criminally **ing stupid to pass on Tyler Lockett in the 2nd rd. Morse could have been had in the 3rd rd. Even though the pick may indeed work out, which I guess in the end is all that matters, but Lockett is going to be a good player and is a true slot WR unlike wasting time w/ DAT, and his ceiling is much higher than Albert Wilson's. 1. CB Marcus Peters 2. WR Tyler Lockett 3. C Mitch Morse 3. WR Chris Conley 4. OT TJ Clemmings 5. OL La'El Collins BOOM!!! Chiefs win the draft by leaps and bounds. Kiss Eric Fisher's **in' ass goodbye! Seriously though how kickass would that draft be? __________________
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