Football The Broncos: I don't see it. - Page 4

Direckshun · 05-02-2012, 05:10 PM

I really don't.

The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies.

I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL.

The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is.

The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose.

Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman.

I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify.

Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about.

Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway.

The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers.

It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better.

And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined.

In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center.

Sorry folks, don't see it.

San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-02-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

And if Baldwin isn't starting this year, failpick.

We are hating on Denver.

You need your own seperate Chiefs Hate thread.

Okie_Apparition · 05-02-2012, 07:17 PM

& when Manning does his I got pee dance
he's realy, really gotta pee

BDB · 05-02-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I like Decker and Thomas, and I think they can do tons when defenses hike their safeties up. But since everybody who plays you will be dropping 8, well, you better hope your San Diego State rookie you traded up for is a hell of a checkdown option.

By the way, the Colts were racked up something ungodly in rushing yards the year they won the Super Bowl.A halfway decent run game. Manning can't leave home without it.

But this is my favorite part of your whole post:

Deep down, what I know is that the 2012 Broncos are basically the 2010 Colts with a shitty run game and a vulnerable defense you did basically nothing to repair.

But hey, there's always the future. How's Osweiler look in orange? You loving that 30-second release?

Once, again Decker lead the league with Orton at QB and Denver was near the top in passing attemps. With Orton at QB, teams may not have dropped 8 but they did play the pass more than the run. Also, do you really believe Manning vs 8 men in coverage was all his steller WRs in Indy? Come on, man!

Denver is lead the league in rushing vs defenses that did nothing BUT play man coverage, so I'm betting that 8 men deep will be very a welcomed sight to Denver.

Ungodly rushing yards? Half-way decent running game? Dude, do you just make this shit up as you go along? Indy ranked THIRTY-SECOND in rushing in 2009, the year they lost the SB. And 29th in 2010. Since they trade Edgrin James, Manning has never had a running game Indy. Don't be an asshat, look it up before you spew your crap. It's only going to make this season that much more painful for ya if you don't at least try to dabble a little bit in reality.

Quesadilla Joe · 05-02-2012, 07:28 PM

Open your eyes.

Ebolapox · 05-02-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

Open your eyes.

coming from you, that's rather cute.

Okie_Apparition · 05-02-2012, 07:38 PM

I guess we need to smooch up to Rivers & Palmer too : pissoff:

Chiefaholic · 05-02-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

And if Baldwin isn't starting this year, failpick.

That's funny... Your parents basically said the same thing about you moving out and becoming a man this year. I certainly hope you don't disappoint them again....

ImuMamalukabubuday · 05-02-2012, 07:39 PM

decker had 266 yards through 5 games...for an average of less that 55 yards per game. I'm pretty sure that didn't lead the league in anything. what stats are you looking at?

whoman69 · 05-02-2012, 07:42 PM

This is going to be the least talented team that Manning has ever been on. We saw how bad the Colts were without him. Their run game will be non-existent, but that doesn't matter to Manning. Their defense is going to revert in some ways, but Dumerville and Miller may suit more the get after the QB when you have a lead team that he had in Indy. Dawkins loss will hurt and Bailey is a year older. Last year he couldn't cover Bowe, but when Bowe went down he blanketed everyone else he covered. Bowe won't have Orton throwing to him either.

-King- · 05-02-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BDB

Once, again Decker lead the league with Orton at QB and Denver was near the top in passing attemps. With Orton at QB, teams may not have dropped 8 but they did play the pass more than the run. Also, do you really believe Manning vs 8 men in coverage was all his steller WRs in Indy? Come on, man!

Denver is lead the league in rushing vs defenses that did nothing BUT play man coverage, so I'm betting that 8 men deep will be very a welcomed sight to Denver.

Ungodly rushing yards? Half-way decent running game? Dude, do you just make this shit up as you go along? Indy ranked THIRTY-SECOND in rushing in 2009, the year they lost the SB. And 29th in 2010. Since they trade Edgrin James, Manning has never had a running game Indy. Don't be an asshat, look it up before you spew your crap. It's only going to make this season that much more painful for ya if you don't at least try to dabble a little bit in reality.

Denver led the league in rushing because their quarterback was really a running back. Not because their running backs were actually good.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 07:51 PM

They went 8-8 and won a playoff game last year with Tim Tebow at QB.

Hard to see them doing any worse with virtually the same team, but replacing Tebow with an elite QB.

Simplicity · 05-02-2012, 07:52 PM

Broncos blow... /thread

**MahiMike** · 05-02-2012, 07:54 PM

The most brilliant thing about the Manning pickup was that Elway was able to get rid of Tebow with little complaint. Even if it doesn't work out, he's still ahead.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Denver led the league in rushing because their quarterback was really a running back. Not because their running backs were actually good.

McGahee ran for 1200 yards - good for 8th overall and 4th in AFC.

Obviously, Tebow running for 600+ is why they led the league, but to imply their backs were bad is ridiculous.

Ebolapox · 05-02-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

They went 8-8 and won a playoff game last year with Tim Tebow at QB.

Hard to see them doing any worse with virtually the same team, but replacing Tebow with an elite QB.

I understand and even can get behind that a bit... but statistically speaking, they benefitted from, in baseball terms, an EXTREMELY (and unsustainably) HIGH BABIP. you have to assume that they'll return to the mean by at LEAST a bit, and lose several more than they should win (rather than vice versa like they did last year).

05-02-2012, 05:10 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4183447	The Broncos: I don't see it. I really don't. The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies. I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL. The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is. The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose. Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman. I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify. Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about. Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway. The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers. It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better. And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined. In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center. Sorry folks, don't see it. San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.
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