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Old 10-04-2016, 04:09 PM  
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Bob Sutton isn't the problem
Hearing a lot of criticism of Sutton. Here's something interesting to consider. Sutton has been here 4 years. He's had 3 stretches where he's had to play some really bad cornerbacks:
-8 games with Marcus Cooper in 2013
-3-4 games in 2015 with Sean Smith out on injury, a rookie Marcus Peters, and Jamel Fleming getting picked on
-1 game this year with DJ White

Other than those 12-13 games, you know how many times Sutton gave up more than 20 points? 3 times. That means for 2/3 of the games, we've had a good to phenomenal defense.

For those who say he's shit the bed against great offenses. When he's had a mostly full cast, prior to this year he's done well against Pittsburgh twice, dominated NE (then did halfway decent in the playoffs against Denver), dominated San Diego almost every time, dominated Detroit, did very well against Seattle and Arizona. The only team that's had his number consistently outside of those 12-13 games is Peyton Manning.

I know he's flawed. When he has puke at the #2 CB, he can't adjust. But those who want him fired are spoiled. He's been awesome most of his time in KC.
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Old 10-04-2016, 09:29 PM   #31
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NFL network "I don't know who's idea it was to run cover 0 against one of the best offenses in the NFL, but it wasn't a smart move, Big Ben took advantage of it."
Easy to criticize when Houston isn't there to deliver pressure, Tamba isn't even able to make it into even a third of snaps, Gaines is replaced by rookie DJ white and our linebackers got their asses handed to them by Leveon bell.
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Old 10-04-2016, 09:29 PM   #32
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the whole d's dynamic would change if Houston were healthy - but, well...
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Old 10-04-2016, 09:31 PM   #33
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I'm over, so over Reid, Smith and Sutton....

Sooner gone the better.
It's not going to happen though.

Hunt fire Marty and had to wait years to be competitive.

Reid won't fire Sutton.


The most we can hope for is a real OC to reduce Andy's influence and a QB draft pick that shocks the world and wins the job.

The draft pick is going to have to shock the world too because Andy doesn't seem particular interested in developing a young QB. Murray,Hogan ... Bray would have been cut already too if he hadn't gotten hurt each year and made himself an easy keep.

I suppose there is an outside chance that Foles takes over for Smith since he seems to be an Andy favorite too. Foles will still have to dink and dunk constantly though.
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Old 10-04-2016, 09:34 PM   #34
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45 seconds to respond after my post.

You have just been waiting 5 hours since you started this thread for me to respond.

Can see you hovering over the keyboard hitting refresh every 5 minutes.
I actually don't care too much about what you think. I know where you stand and am not going to change your mind, and I'm cool with that. My OP was mostly directed at the comment that he's had no success against good defenses.
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Old 10-04-2016, 09:47 PM   #35
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The most we can hope for is a real OC to reduce Andy's influence


Childress isn't a capable Offensive Coordinator?

The phrase you're looking for is "Play Caller" and Andy Reid isn't giving up play calling duties, ever.
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:19 PM   #36
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Gonna call bullshit on this. Sutton kept calling the same defense over and over again, even though it was getting torched. He runs his game plan, and nothing else. Good defensive coordinators do not do that. His defenses are torched time and time again by any QB who is above average, and elite QB's like Big Ben own him.
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:30 PM   #37
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Childress isn't a capable Offensive Coordinator?

The phrase you're looking for is "Play Caller" and Andy Reid isn't giving up play calling duties, ever.
*sigh*


"real" as in real-ly has the OC job and not just an assistant to Andy.
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:40 PM   #38
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*sigh*


"real" as in real-ly has the OC job and not just an assistant to Andy.
Chilly was very good with Reid in Philly, then had the Vikings in the NFC Championship Game in the "Bounty Game" that took out Favre.

He's not a bozo, he's not Jim Bob Cooter or Brian Daboll or Mike Solari or any number of bozos that have rolled through town since Al Saunders.

Andy's play calling, for the most part this year, has sucked. It's on him, plain and simple. And when he ****s up the offense, the defense is usually ****ed, too.

It doesn't help that Morse has severely regressed, Ehinger was available for only one game, LDT's played in two and Schartz has been a disappointment. You can also add Spencer Ware and Jeremy Maclin to the list.

The bottom line is that there are many, many reasons why the offense has stalled this year but the main reason is Andy Reid's play calling, which has been nothing short of abysmal.
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:50 PM   #39
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Gonna call bullshit on this. Sutton kept calling the same defense over and over again, even though it was getting torched. He runs his game plan, and nothing else. Good defensive coordinators do not do that. His defenses are torched time and time again by any QB who is above average, and elite QB's like Big Ben own him.
Big Ben threw for 220 yards when they played two years ago.

Sutton owns Phillip Rivers. He owned Brady several years ago. He did pretty well against Russell Wilson and Carson Palmer. The only QB he consistently couldn't stop was Peyton Manning, but that was a lot of people's problems. I have no idea where this is coming from. Aaron Rodgers owned Jamel Fleming. Roethlisberger owned DJ White. Sutton gets owned when he has very bad CB talent, not when he faces elite QBs.
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It's not Suttons fault guys aren't getting to the QB. It's the franchises fault for botching Houston injury then knowing and doing nothing to improve the OLB position.
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It's not Suttons fault guys aren't getting to the QB. It's the franchises fault for botching Houston injury then knowing and doing nothing to improve the OLB position.
Nonsense.

The Chiefs took the advice of the best sports surgeon in the world.

Doctors aren't infallible.
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Nonsense.

The Chiefs took the advice of the best sports surgeon in the world.

Doctors aren't infallible.
And eventually this year, he'll be back.

Consider that he made S. Smith look good at Corner. Not ok, but good.

Yeah, we'll be a different D once Houston is in game shape...
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It's not Suttons fault guys aren't getting to the QB. It's the franchises fault for botching Houston injury then knowing and doing nothing to improve the OLB position.
Yeah. Ford had a shared sack and drew a holding call in Pitt before the game went crazy.

He's been decent as a complimentary rusher, but needs to step up.
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Yes Sutton is part of the problem. He overworked Dontari to the point where Poe had to have back surgery due to a herniated disc
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