Patriots will trade Logan Mankins to Buccaneers

[thabear04]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have acquired a guard, no not Richie Incognito, but rather a cornerstone of the New England Patriots.

FOX Sports has learned that the two teams have agreed to the terms of a trade that would send Patriots captain and six-time pro bowler Logan Mankins to the Bucs in exchange for a player and an undisclosed pick. A Patriots source said the deal is agreed upon, but they are still waiting to finalize the deal.

Mankins, entering his 10th season in the league, was a first-round pick by the Patriots in 2005 out of Fresno State. He made $5.7 million last season.
On the same day the Bucs brought in Incognito in for a visit, they got this deal done.

Pats got TE Tim Wright and an undisclosed draft pick.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

That's not a net number.

It's still impactful. Just ask the posters around here who are panicked about the Chiefs' cap situation for next year.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So my thoughts.

1. this pick is partially salary cap related. Mankins had by far the highest actual salary for 2014 on the team, at $6.25 million. Nobody else had even $4.0 million. His total cap carrying number of $10.5 million was second to Brady ($14.8) and FAR ahead of number 3 (Mayo, at $7.27).

2. Mankins' play declined last year. He was very good, not great. This isn't me trashing him -- I don't pay that much attention to line iplay honestly, unless it stands out. This is several reporters' comments.

3. We REALLY need a tight end. Without Gronk, TE is nothing more than an extra blocker for us. I know nothing about Wright, but 50+ catches for a terrible team seems pretty good. Based on his weight, (220 lbs., for a TE, seriously?!) I'm assuming he's a "move" TE, like Hernandez was, which we certainly need.

4. Mankins $7 million per year salary for the next two years comes off the books.

5. Will Mankins' money get reallocated to some guy named Revis?!? If so, then I am SO good with this trade.

6. Hate to lose a guy like that though. Great toughness and skill. And we lost two SBs because our OL couldn't win the trench war against a better DL.

7. We do seem to have decent interior OL depth, though obviously no one of Mankins' caliber.

This is a strong move its not like the Pats are as perfect as everyone thinks. They have had many blunders in tbe past six years. Poor FA signings and drafts.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

He lowballed Welker in a down salary year, because Welker wouldn't sign a low money contract and made the team tag him the year before. Don't kid yourself. Belichick is the best coach in the game, but he can be a very petty bastard.

Belichick is no saint. I can read the list. From cheating on his wife to being the world's biggest sore loser, to the idiocy of Spygate.

But I honestly think you're wrong about Welker. He offered him 2 at $10. His agents were telling him he would get like $8 per. Denver ultimately ends up paying him 2 at $6, hardly a meaningful difference to be honest.

When Welker said no, and that he was moving on, the Pats immediately went out and got their next selection, Amendola.

Dont' believe me? How about Tom Curran.

Originally Posted by Tom Curran

It would be seven and counting if it weren’t for Welker’s agents at Athlete’s First. They are the ones that sold him on the idea he’d get Larry Fitzgerald money. Then they sold Welker on the idea he’d get $8M per year and that the Patriots incentive-laden deal was an insult.

So when free agency started, Welker went to find that money David Dunn and Brian Murphy said was out there. The Patriots figured those two must know something and replaced Welker with the next best thing out there, Danny Amendola.

Two days later, Welker was hat-in-hand with the Broncos, trying to get $6M and asking the Patriots to match it. Which they couldn’t, having already agreed to terms with Amendola.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pat...ker-concussion

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It's still impactful. Just ask the posters around here who are panicked about the Chiefs' cap situation for next year.

You don't seem to understand. The NET is cap savings. Now, of course, you're down a player and have dead money on the cap, and still need a warm body to play that guard position, but still, they save money on the cap by getting rid of him.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

This is a strong move its not like the Pats are as perfect as everyone thinks. They have had many blunders in tbe past six years. Poor FA signings and drafts.

Don't know who calls the Pats perfect. Certainly not me. I can list all the bad draft picks and FA signings for you if you want...

Belichick the GM hasn't done Belichick the coach too many favors over the last few years, though it was '06-'09 that really were sour, draft-wise.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Belichick is no saint. I can read the list. From cheating on his wife to being the world's biggest sore loser, to the idiocy of Spygate.

But I honestly think you're wrong about Welker.

I'm not.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I'm not.

Ok. Your original post was, to me, misleading/confusing. Saying you take a $4 million cap hit suggest to me that that is the NET number, after all adjustments. The actual net number is the opposite. Cap savings.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

You don't seem to understand. The NET is cap savings. Now, of course, you're down a player and have dead money on the cap, and still need a warm body to play that guard position, but still, they save money on the cap by getting rid of him.

I understand perfectly well. They just took a cap hit because of the acceleration of the deal. You choose to spin that. I choose not to. That's really the difference here.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Belichick never forgives guys who beat him at the bargaining table. Sooner or later, he pulls this stuff, or something like it. He did it with Seymour and Welker, too.

Then he should have really screwed him and sent him to KC.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I understand perfectly well. They just took a cap hit because of the acceleration of the deal. You choose to spin that. I choose not to. That's really the difference here.

Really? That's spin? I added more information which gives a truer picture of what's going on. You ignored one piece to the puzzle, so that the net effect is cap savings.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Really? That's spin? I added more information which gives a truer picture of what's going on. You ignored one piece to the puzzle, so that the net effect is cap savings.

You didn't add more information. You took accurate information and framed it in a manner which was designed to make Belichick and the Patriots look better.

That's spin.


And, as far is adding more information goes, you didn't bother noting that Mankins base salary coming off the books is partially offset by his replacement's salary, meaning the numbers you gave were incorrect.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It's still impactful. Just ask the posters around here who are panicked about the Chiefs' cap situation for next year.

Mankins' 2015 total salary cap figure went from $11 million to $4 million (dead money) because of the trade. His 2016 cap number went from $7 million to zero.

Should Patriots fans be "panicked" about our team's cap situation for next year and the year after as a result of this event, as you seem to be suggesting?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I understand perfectly well. They just took a cap hit because of the acceleration of the deal. You choose to spin that. I choose not to. That's really the difference here.

They changed the way trades hit the cap in the last CBA.

I believe a team can use 1 exemption per year and treat the traded player's cap number like a cut.

cap hit options:
current year - next year
100-0%
40-60%
50-50%
60-40%
0-100%

not positive about this

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Mankins' 2015 total salary cap figure went from $11 million to $4 million (dead money) because of the trade. His 2016 cap number went from $7 million to zero.

Should Patriots fans be "panicked" about our team's cap situation for next year and the year after as a result of this event, as you seem to be suggesting?

I said nothing about Patriots fans panicking, nor did I suggest any such thing.


Keep spinning, though.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You didn't add more information. You took accurate information and framed it in a manner which was designed to make Belichick and the Patriots look better.

That's spin.


And, as far is adding more information goes, you didn't bother noting that Mankins base salary coming off the books is partially offset by his replacement's salary, meaning the numbers you gave were incorrect.

Sure, you always need to have the top 51 maintained, so another guy gets added at $500K. Not exactly a huge impact, but yes that is accurate.