Chiefs John Dorsey and the Eric Berry decision - Page 3

Direckshun · 11:20 AM

Yet another reason I think John Dorsey was the best GM the Chiefs have ever had is that he seems to be proven right about this team so far when it came to the Eric Berry deal.

Eric Berry cost this team a gigantic chunk of change -- and he's well worth it. He's the best safety in the league and a true locker room leader and the face of the franchise.

I forget where I read it, but wasn't it a rumor that the Berry negotiations were a huge sticking point with Clark Hunt getting worn down on Dorsey?

Berry wanted a massive payday, and Dorsey was balking, on the verge of letting him go. It got to the point, so say the rumors, that Berry wasn't even talking to the team until Clark himself had to step in.

Well, what if Dorsey hadn't paid Berry? And let Berry walk?

Seriously, I'm asking.

Berry played a magnificent game against Gronk, but the Chiefs are 4-0 without him, stifling Wentz, Rivers, Cousins, and Watson.

Obviously we're only 5 games into the season, but isn't John Dorsey looking like he's been proven correct on this call so far?

EDIT: Can a mod fix my thread title?

Please and thank you.

**Rausch** · 10-10-2017, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

You should have thanked him...this season inst happening without drafting Hunt/Hill.

Still pissed about firing him...

And he was right about Berry/Maclin/Poe/S.Smith....

(Mostly) Truff...

Chief_For_Life58 · 10-10-2017, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

You should have thanked him...this season inst happening without drafting Hunt/Hill.

Still pissed about firing him...

And he was right about Berry/Maclin/Poe/S.Smith....great player but a $16 million dollar safety? Dumb...thanks Chunt.

My take in the NFL wanted Berry's face all over those 6 prime time games...

Yeah I thought about waiting for him to come out and talk to him. He doesnt want to be bothered on a sunday night gas station run.

mcaj22 · 10-10-2017, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

22 points per game while playing the teams they e player.

theybe been playing good qbs. Hell, rivers may be the worst one they've played arguably (I'd go Watson but either way).

It's not as if they've played the dregs of the league or backup qbs.

Watson is a rookie with 3 career games and he threw 5 touchdown passes to two WRs on like 6 catches. If Berry is out there half those big plays get negated. The fact this offense is playing so wel is covering up a lot of issues

Deberg_1990 · 10-10-2017, 02:05 PM

Dorsey took care of his drafted players and hard balled Pioli's draftees

JakeF · 10-10-2017, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

You should have thanked him...this season inst happening without drafting Hunt/Hill.

Still pissed about firing him...

And he was right about Berry/Maclin/Poe/S.Smith....great player but a $16 million dollar safety? Dumb...thanks Chunt.

My take in the NFL wanted Berry's face all over those 6 prime time games...

Andy Reid forced Hunt to fired the Chiefs' best GM in modern history.

JakeF · 10-10-2017, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Dorsey took care of his drafted players and hard balled Pioli's draftees

Every GM and Head Coach does this

Kiimo · 10-10-2017, 02:16 PM

Oh I see CP is back to underrating Eric Berry. It's funny how that happens when he's not in the games every week blowing up the running game and picking off passes and putting the fear of God into wide receivers and negating tight ends.

Four weeks without him and it's all what does he really do to justify that contract again?

Chiefshrink · 10-10-2017, 06:02 PM

Dorsey definitely looking like the genius all the way around for now anyway

kcxiv · 10-10-2017, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

Theyre giving up 22 points per game, thats about middle of the pack. Their takeaways have regressed back a bit (still buoyed by the fact Alex Smith hasnt thrown a pick so it keeps the defense in the top 5). If you want to give them an excuse that the defense relaxes on these big leads and gives up points, thats fine. But if they keep doing that eventually a good QB will make them pay for it.

Theyre still not "stiffling" anyone or shutting anyone down. Alex is doing his best Trent impresssion and leading an offense we havent seen since 2003.

its called playing prevent. In a prevent defense, the offense is giving everything underneath. The problem was, Watson basically just chucked up 2 hail mary's and their WR's out-jumped our Defensive backs. It usually doesnt happen like that. It happened though.

They basically had 3 garbage time td's

arrwheader · 10-10-2017, 06:28 PM

I am still very very concerned with the decision to part from Dorsey. With not knowing how much Reid influenced draft picks Dorsey deserves a huge amount of credit for this teams success this year and the past. I sincerely hope that Veach is every bit of what they say because there is no doubt Dorsey had a above average, close to elite eye for talent.

It still remains to be seen but I still don't like the move.

Chiefshrink · 10-10-2017, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by arrwheader

I am still very very concerned with the decision to part from Dorsey. With not knowing how much Reid influenced draft picks Dorsey deserves a huge amount of credit for this teams success this year and the past. I sincerely hope that Veach is every bit of what they say because there is no doubt Dorsey had a above average, close to elite eye for talent.

It still remains to be seen but I still don't like the move.

Agreed. And IF he was that integral in all the draft picks he will be the hottest commodity come this off season for a lot teams where he can write his own contract.

**Shaid** · 10-10-2017, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

its called playing prevent. In a prevent defense, the offense is giving everything underneath. The problem was, Watson basically just chucked up 2 hail mary's and their WR's out-jumped our Defensive backs. It usually doesnt happen like that. It happened though.

They basically had 3 garbage time td's

I agree, which is why we probably should just go with a 4 man rush instead of a 3 man in those situations. Zero pressure at all gives time for the WRs to get in position for those jump balls. Make him toss them early and it won't be just a pure jump ball anymore.

Dunerdr · 10-10-2017, 07:06 PM

should have extended Dorsey with a responsibility change put a guy like veach in charge of contracts via a promotion.

Chiefshrink · 10-10-2017, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

its called playing prevent. In a prevent defense, the offense is giving everything underneath. The problem was, Watson basically just chucked up 2 hail mary's and their WR's out-jumped our Defensive backs. It usually doesnt happen like that. It happened though.

They basically had 3 garbage time td's

You mean "defense" i.e. to the bold.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-10-2017, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

should have extended Dorsey with a responsibility change put a guy like veach in charge of contracts via a promotion.

No

Good grief, no

10-10-2017, 10:43 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4123447	John Dorsey and the Eric Berry decision Yet another reason I think John Dorsey was the best GM the Chiefs have ever had is that he seems to be proven right about this team so far when it came to the Eric Berry deal. Eric Berry cost this team a gigantic chunk of change -- and he's well worth it. He's the best safety in the league and a true locker room leader and the face of the franchise. I forget where I read it, but wasn't it a rumor that the Berry negotiations were a huge sticking point with Clark Hunt getting worn down on Dorsey? Berry wanted a massive payday, and Dorsey was balking, on the verge of letting him go. It got to the point, so say the rumors, that Berry wasn't even talking to the team until Clark himself had to step in. Well, what if Dorsey hadn't paid Berry? And let Berry walk? Seriously, I'm asking. Berry played a magnificent game against Gronk, but the Chiefs are 4-0 without him, stifling Wentz, Rivers, Cousins, and Watson. Obviously we're only 5 games into the season, but isn't John Dorsey looking like he's been proven correct on this call so far? EDIT: Can a mod fix my thread title? Please and thank you. Last edited by Direckshun; 10-10-2017 at 11:20 AM..
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3514454	Dorsey took care of his drafted players and hard balled Pioli's draftees __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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10-10-2017, 02:16 PM	#37
Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $3618742	Oh I see CP is back to underrating Eric Berry. It's funny how that happens when he's not in the games every week blowing up the running game and picking off passes and putting the fear of God into wide receivers and negating tight ends. Four weeks without him and it's all what does he really do to justify that contract again?
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10-10-2017, 06:28 PM	#40
arrwheader Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $2846613	I am still very very concerned with the decision to part from Dorsey. With not knowing how much Reid influenced draft picks Dorsey deserves a huge amount of credit for this teams success this year and the past. I sincerely hope that Veach is every bit of what they say because there is no doubt Dorsey had a above average, close to elite eye for talent. It still remains to be seen but I still don't like the move.
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10-10-2017, 07:06 PM	#43
Dunerdr MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $1939677	should have extended Dorsey with a responsibility change put a guy like veach in charge of contracts via a promotion. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief- Rachel Santschi
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